Dominoes - Pay a little more

[SpontaneousOrder]

Shall we fund the UK's nuclear deterrent by charity as well?

Do you not think that there is a market for it then? I can only assume that you must think that not many people think it's a good idea if you think there would be trouble funding it. That's nothing to do with charity though.

But by all means move to Somalia if you prefer.

I don't know why you suggest Somalia. While it's true that in whole, Somalia's economic prosperity and standard of living without a government has been markedly better than when it did have a functioning government, i'm not sure "run away" is a particularly relevant response to "it's bad to hurt/threaten people".

[Mich the Tester]

Cider

Only sensible post in the last 5 pages.

[SpontaneousOrder]

What has that got to do with anything? Housing benefit is the big deal not JSA.

That's fair enough, but housing is only as expensive as it is because of things like housing benefits & easy money (which is state sponsored). Lose the housing benefits/stop this first time buyer loan bulltulip and the buy/rent prices of housing tumbles. I know that's deliberately bursting a bubble, but that bubble will burst eventually anyway.

[minestrone]

Do you all know posts over 20 lines kick off the "gentile is back" alarm in admin's house?

[xoggoth]

Dominos - unique product that can cost you a lot more when ordering online rather than call a shop

Actually, things costing more online does not seem all that unusual.

[AtW]

Do you all know posts over 20 lines kick off the "gentile is back" alarm in admin's house?

No, it's actually over 2000 words limit per post that auto-bans the poster, don't try it ...

[d000hg]

You've completely dodged the question there. The question is that if you (presumably a majority) feel that it's a moral obligation, then why do you feel the need to use violent force to make others participate? If it's a moral obligation shouldn't you be giving up an extra 10 percent of your income rather than stealing it from people who think that you're wrong? Do you not think that doing so undermines your apparent virtue?

How do you know I/we don't? But me giving up 90% of my income serves far less a purpose than the nation as a whole giving up .1%.

You think having to pay tax is "violent force"?

[DodgyAgent]

The problem with your average liberal middle class affluent leftie view is to them the practicalities of socialist policies are more to do with them and how they make them feel about themselves. They are never driven by any sense of "what works best" or any genuine concern for those that are less well off than themselves. Nor are they keen on giving any of their own money up to help those that are not as well off as they are. What they want are victims that they can identify with that will make them feel less selfish.

The left love the minimum wage just as they love Nelson Mandela. The minimum wage gives them the opportunity to play out their self congratulatory peities and be seen to be caring about the less well off.
The problem with this, quite apart from the fact that the logic behind it (in helping the poor) is deeply flawed and counter productive, is that in order to support their view it is necessary to categorise low wage earners as victims.

It may well be true that some low earners are indeed victims but I would wager that many of them do not feel that they are and they could do without interfering middle class ars*holes jumping on their bandwagon. To many on low wages it is a step to a better paid job or it fits their lifestyle or it is better than no job at all. Having a job and a wage no matter how big gives people the confidence and experience to grow up and make their own decisions about who they should work for and how much they should earn.

The minimum wage creates a vicious spiral of extra costs that in turn inflates the cost of living that in turn involves the government redistributing more money (inefficiently).

Ban it.

[vetran]

or it is better than no job at all. Having a job and a wage no matter how big gives people the confidence and experience to grow up and make their own decisions about who they should work for and how much they should earn.

The minimum wage creates a vicious spiral of extra costs that in turn inflates the cost of living that in turn involves the government redistributing more money (inefficiently).

Ban it.

I prefer the minimum wage to WFTC. Unfortunately the current situation is that there are more workers than jobs at the bottom end. If we remove the minimum wage then all those seeking to improve themselves will have to pay employers to work for them. If you don't believe me look at the abuse of interns. Look at the abuse of self employed van drivers.

End game would be only those that can support themselves will get the jobs that gain them experience.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

The problem with your average liberal middle class affluent leftie view blah blah middle class guilt etc C&P from Dodgy's library of std paras.

This news just in - Min Wage unlikely to go away - the USA even beat us to it.

What is your view on the Dominos geezer wanting to ship in workers from outside the EU? (rather than another neocon idealist lecture you get points for answering the point which was the original topic of the thread)

Should

a)The government do what he asks or
b) Not