RBS/NatWest IT Down

[TwoWolves]

Can some of the more "holier than thou" posters please come back down to earth for just one minute?

I got let-go from RBS last spring, handing over to an Indian team before going (commercial not retail). My impression is that so many companies in the west have outsourced to India now they have pretty much run out of IT graduates of any caliber so people are learning on the job, lying on their CVs and are generally not up to the job. Though usually you can find one on the team who is OK.

We had this nonsense with contractors in the late '90s during the boom only now its happening in India on a far greater scale. Thing is, once they learn the job they move on or become managers so the situation never improves so this is causing a slowly expanding software crisis.

[eek]

"Responsibility goes right up to the account holders and benefactors of producing cost saving figures on the budget sheets irrespective of the crap computer systems that are now in the hands of a culture that have no affinity with UK and owe this country nothing."

Speak English, boy.

The systems are buggered. Move your money elsewhere

HTH

[sasguru]

Can some of the more "holier than thou" posters please come back down to earth for just one minute?

I got let-go from RBS last spring, handing over to an Indian team before going (commercial not retail). My impression is that so many companies in the west have outsourced to India now they have pretty much run out of IT graduates of any caliber so people are learning on the job, lying on their CVs and are generally not up to the job. Though usually you can find one on the team who is OK.

We had this nonsense with contractors in the late '90s during the boom only now its happening in India on a far greater scale. Thing is, once they learn the job they move on or become managers so the situation never improves so this is causing a slowly expanding software crisis.

That may be so, but how does it make one "holier than thou" to say that it's ultimately the fault of overpaid British management?
I would hope people in IT would have better logical skills.

[CoolerKing]

Go on then...Put your mouth on the line, publish this all on an open forum, let the press know, let the shareholders of RBS know. You know it means sense...





(Only 20 years? I have rather a lot more than that including working with, and for, CA and quite a few UK banks and still provide consultancy to one or two...)

20+, 24 to be exact.

Visited all the major financial institutions in Scotland buddy.

Press already know they published it Front page of Daily Mail around 2005/6, headline - 'British Jobs for Bombay workers'

Have had conversations with Holyrood, and there is no denying that Britain has opted for international incompetence on the cheap on a massive scale to balance the books.....

[oracleslave]

20+, 24 to be exact.

Have you learnt yet to grease it with chutney before choking down pole?

[sasguru]

20+, 24 to be exact.

Visited all the major financial institutions in Scotland buddy.

Press already know they published it Front page of Daily Mail around 2005/6, headline - 'British Jobs for Bombay workers'

Have had conversations with Holyrood, and there is no denying that Britain has opted for international incompetence on the cheap on a massive scale to balance the books.....

Was that conducted in English? Buddy?

[TwoWolves]

That may be so, but how does it make one "holier than thou" to say that it's ultimately the fault of overpaid British management?
I would hope people in IT would have better logical skills.

You're being rude to posters who simply highlight other factors or have differing opinions on events. The Indian staff are fibbing about their experience and knowledge, they are not entirely innocent either.

We all know that management is to blame, its a given.

[darmstadt]

Theoretically management aren't too blame, the shareholder is to blame as the management are only there to give the shareholder a better ROI. In this case the shareholder is the taxpayer so you're to blame :-)

[sasguru]

We all know that management is to blame, its a given.

You missed the word "ultimately".
And when I assign blame it's the people ultimately responsible I would go for.
Especially as they pocket millions for their incompetence.
Scapegoating the lackeys will only make them be replaced by other lackeys from the Phillipines, China, SA etc etc. The list is endless.

[CoolerKing]

Theoretically management aren't too blame, the shareholder is to blame as the management are only there to give the shareholder a better ROI. In this case the shareholder is the taxpayer so you're to blame :-)

Who is the largest Shareholder in RBS and Lloyds?