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Bring back John Major
And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014 -
Although I also read he's dead against a federal sterling currency union were Scotland to become independent despite being England's 2nd biggest trading partner. Yet EU sceptics are championing for a EU federal state for the euro.Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
They've got their knickers in the proper twist this time.
Europe should become euro wide including the UK, and forget this business of a trade agreement with the US."Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain -
I don't think the federal Europe idea has much following in Euroland any more. And while I don't think Britain should leave the EU I also don't think it should join the Euro.Originally posted by scooterscot View PostAlthough I also read he's dead against a federal sterling currency union were Scotland to become independent despite being England's 2nd biggest trading partner. Yet EU sceptics are championing for a EU federal state for the euro.
They've got their knickers in the proper twist this time.
Europe should become euro wide including the UK, and forget this business of a trade agreement with the US.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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So you both want a continuation of the loss of £50 million/day directly to the EU, huge waves of poor immigrants into the country choking all our public services, and the strangling of more and more economic, social, and cultural activities by the EU? No thanks.
And by the way Major is wrong - look at Switzerland. Not part of the EU and as rich as everyone else!Comment
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And it´s had to adapt all its business laws, employment laws and banking laws to EU standards without having any say in how those rules look.Originally posted by KentPhilip View PostSo you both want a continuation of the loss of £50 million/day directly to the EU, huge waves of poor immigrants into the country choking all our public services, and the strangling of more and more economic, social, and cultural activities by the EU? No thanks.
And by the way Major is wrong - look at Switzerland. Not part of the EU and as rich as everyone else!And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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As he points out, Norway still pays 80% of what we do into the EU, still has to follow all the rules and regulations of the EU, but without having any kind of say. How stupid do you have to be to consider that an improvement?Originally posted by KentPhilip View PostSo you both want a continuation of the loss of £50 million/day directly to the EU, huge waves of poor immigrants into the country choking all our public services, and the strangling of more and more economic, social, and cultural activities by the EU? No thanks.
He's a much better ex-PM than he was PM, it has to be said. It makes you wonder if today's politicians might turn out to be quite intelligent once freed from having to be politicians.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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This.Originally posted by VectraMan View PostAs he points out, Norway still pays 80% of what we do into the EU, still has to follow all the rules and regulations of the EU, but without having any kind of say.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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How stupid do you have to be to realise that Britain's "biggest trader partner" (the EU) is a shrinking market in economic distress whereas the rest of the world (China, India, LA) is a growing market with whom we cannot trade freely as we are bound by the EU's trading laws.Originally posted by VectraMan View PostAs he points out, Norway still pays 80% of what we do into the EU, still has to follow all the rules and regulations of the EU, but without having any kind of say. How stupid do you have to be to consider that an improvement?
Britain would be better off out, although there would be a dip of 3-4 years while our economy adjusts.
After that we'd be trading with larger markets on better terms.
Plus of course, if we did leave, the EU wouldn't put up punitive trade barriers with the UK, since the Germans still want us to buy their cars, the French their cheese and wine, and so on.
The "worse off" argument is scaremongering.Comment
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It chose to - it didn't have to.Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostAnd it´s had to adapt all its business laws, employment laws and banking laws to EU standards without having any say in how those rules look.
If the UK leaves the EU, there is no reason to suppose that we cannot negotiate with the EU. The EU is free to adapt its rules based on circumstances outside itself as well as inside.Comment
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OK, so this 'dip'. How deep would the 'dip' be and how much damage would it cause?Originally posted by Platypus View PostHow stupid do you have to be to realise that Britain's "biggest trader partner" (the EU) is a shrinking market in economic distress whereas the rest of the world (China, India, LA) is a growing market with whom we cannot trade freely as we are bound by the EU's trading laws.
Britain would be better off out, although there would be a dip of 3-4 years while our economy adjusts.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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