Another study wasting money stating the obvious?

[Paddy]

Depends whether God exists, and the nature of the said God. If Christianity* is true, you go to hell. If JW's are right, you get annihilated. If Terry Pratchett is right you just cease to be (you don't believe in an afterlife, so you don't get one). If the FSM crew are right, you get reincarnated as parmesan cheese.

* Some versions hold to a universalist theology - everyone goes to heaven. So you'll spend the first few thousand years feeling a bit stupid.

I thought I would be going to Hell; my punishment for not believing however, Tony Blair, convicted war criminal who cause numerous deaths in war, numerous deaths by sanctions on medicine to Iraq, etc etc etc, as he is a catholic; he will go straight to Heaven Along will General Pinochet mass murderer who was forgiven by the Pope

[BrilloPad]

The hologram bit was a misunderstanding by the media, it was loosely based on partial physics not astrophysics. “created or destroyed”, that is only basically true as mass is increased towards the speed of light, but there again, it does use up energy. Black holes have their limitation because eventually they will emit radiation and even matter. The way black holes work also go along with the multi-universe theory. Our Universe could have been born from a massive universe working on similar principals of a black hole.



The trouble is the title of scientist is given to anyone these days whom have a science degree. Kids just out of uni are given the task of proving global warming and their results are published other kids just out of media studies uni. Totally thick the lot of them


BTW, as a non believer. What will happen to me when I die?

I saw the hologram dude on some TV program - he was talking bollox and we all know it.

Nice attempt to get the discussion onto God. Why not admit science has many flaws? Its full of charlatans and you know it. Take sasguru(and I wish someone would)....

[MyUserName]

But all being an atheist means is that religion has not satisfied it's burden of proof to you. It is the same interlectual process as whether you believe in aliens, fairies etc.

The only difference with religious belief seems to be that lots of people get repeatedly told when they are very young that their local religion is true and all others are false and it is wrong to question it. Hence this belief tends to linger longer than others (eg Father Christmas). Some people also emotionally invest a lot of their lives into these believes which encourages them to be closed minded about it.

I am not sure it directly relates to intelligence.

[Spacecadet]

I thought I would be going to Hell; my punishment for not believing however, Tony Blair, convicted war criminal who cause numerous deaths in war, numerous deaths by sanctions on medicine to Iraq, etc etc etc, as he is a catholic; he will go straight to Heaven Along will General Pinochet mass murderer who was forgiven by the Pope

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven"

Don't worry, Blair is going straight to Hell

[darmstadt]

Don't worry, Blair is going straight to Hell

Because the voices in my head told me so...

[Paddy]

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven"

Don't worry, Blair is going straight to Hell

Hell has been outsourced

[xoggoth]

But all being an atheist means is that religion has not satisfied it's burden of proof to you. It is the same intellectual process as whether you believe in aliens, fairies etc.

Quite, don't need Gibbon to tell us a in Latin means without not against. I'm not an atheist as a creator seems as good a theory as any, it's just the idea that man has any special place in the universe and the all consequent stuff about soul, sin and redemption etc. that makes no sense.

However, I am getting to be an anti-religionist as too many won't leave the rest of us alone. We need practical laws, not stuff based on the millennia old supposed sayings of some messiah or deluded prophet. That's not so say that religious ideas are all nonsense, the last 7 commandments are fairly sensible rules for society, it's just that the supposedly sacred origins of more detailed rules makes them impossible to challenge when they don't work.

PS I think some ought to look at details of more modern religions like Mormonism, the Moonies, Scientology or many less well known ones, the dodgy claims, the possibly fraudulent events, the way the founders or main promoters always manage to do very well out of it. Are you sure that your messiah/prophet etc was any different? Or have the sordid details just got lost over the millennia?

[BrilloPad]

it's just the idea that man has any special place in the universe and the all consequent stuff about soul, sin and redemption etc. that makes no sense.

You might not have a special place but I do.

[Old Greg]

Quite, don't need Gibbon to tell us a in Latin means without not against. I'm not an atheist as a creator seems as good a theory as any, it's just the idea that man has any special place in the universe and the all consequent stuff about soul, sin and redemption etc. that makes no sense.

However, I am getting to be an anti-religionist as too many won't leave the rest of us alone. We need practical laws, not stuff based on the millennia old supposed sayings of some messiah or deluded prophet. That's not so say that religious ideas are all nonsense, the last 7 commandments are fairly sensible rules for society, it's just when their supposedly sacred origins makes them impossible to challenge when they don't.

PS I think some ought to look at details of more modern religions like Mormonism, the Moonies, Scientology or many less well known ones, the dodgy claims, the possibly fraudulent events, the way the founders or main promoters always manage to do very well out of it. Are you sure that your messiah/prophet etc was any different? Or have the sordid details just got lost over the millennia?

Greek, not Latin.

[NotAllThere]

I thought I would be going to Hell; my punishment for not believing however, Tony Blair, convicted war criminal who cause numerous deaths in war, numerous deaths by sanctions on medicine to Iraq, etc etc etc, as he is a catholic; he will go straight to Heaven Along will General Pinochet mass murderer who was forgiven by the Pope

If my understanding of Catholicism is correct (and Catholicism is correct), unless he's a saint, then he'll be spending some time in purgatory suffering from the sins he committed during life, until he's atoned (hah!) sufficiently.

If e.g. Luther was correct, and only if your repent of what you've done wrong and receive forgiveness, then if he hasn't repented of all his wrong-doing, then he'll still be going to hell.

If the universalists are right, everyone, eventually, gets to heaven.

Note, TB is only a convicted war criminal in Malaysia, in a trial that can hardly be described as "fair".

Greek, not Latin.

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