Zero hours contracts

[EternalOptimist]

Its not exclusivity. The problem is that you need the 0 hour contract to get work that day. And if when they phone you aren't available they don't ring the next day.

dont generalise. The missus utilises bank nurses on a regular basis.

They do not get blown out for not being available. They get blown out for being Sh!te or other reasons

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dont generalise. The missus utilises bank nurses on a regular basis.

They do not get blown out for not being available. They get blown out for being Sh!te or other reasons

But that is because the nurses have other places (homes, hospitals) to go to. If you have a zero hour contract in a shop you don't have that option..

[EternalOptimist]

But that is because the nurses have other places (homes, hospitals) to go to. If you have a zero hour contract in a shop you don't have that option..

you dont know that. stop now eek

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you dont know that. stop now eek

Why? I can easily introduce you to a fair few 23-5 year olds who left uni to end up with this type of work. And don't let me get started on the home care industry (I can introduce you to about 20 women doing with that sort of contract aged 30-50). Yes the latter do move agencies once in a while but the contract never really changes you just fall out with agency 1 and find another one.

Just because your wife (ab)uses a similar type of contract in one industry doesn't mean they aren't abused in different ways in other industries.

[EternalOptimist]

It seems to me that exclusivity is the main problem here. I wonder if a low paid unskilled worker has ever been 'done' in a legal sense for picking another farmers potato weeds (or the equivilent)

[Peoplesoft bloke]

It seems to me that exclusivity is the main problem here. I wonder if a low paid unskilled worker has ever been 'done' in a legal sense for picking another farmers potato weeds (or the equivilent)

I made the point about the exclusivity being the main issue some way back on this thread - you won't get "done" for not being exclusive, but you might get fired or never offered any more hours if you can't go in for a couple of hours because you are working elsewhere.

As to Kent Philip and others who don't see what the problem is - if you are on jobseekers, the wonks at JobCentreHasslePlus can force you to take a job in which you get paid less than dole cos it's zero hours, less than min wage cos it can actually be zero a week on pain of having your jobseekers cut so there isn't really any choice if you are really up against it.

[SussexSeagull]

Let me explain it to you how I see it.

If the government delivered public services efficiently there would be a well educated population, low crime no welfare industry and a healthier society. If they then got their house building sorted out there would be no need to tax people and the cost of living would fall. People would then not need tax credits and there would be more jobs because Britain would be:

1. A great place to live
2. A place that would attract foreign and domestic investment

By the way how is your fracking going?

I do agree <note time and date> that education is the key and that the lack of affordable housing has been a problem since the right to buy homes weren't replaced.

For the record, I do think a lot of people in this country from top to bottom don't manage their careers properly and drag out jobs that they should of ditched years ago for something new. Problem is, lower earners tend to have less choice in new roles.

[vetran]

I do agree <note time and date> that education is the key and that the lack of affordable housing has been a problem since the right to buy homes weren't replaced.

For the record, I do think a lot of people in this country from top to bottom don't manage their careers properly and drag out jobs that they should of ditched years ago for something new. Problem is, lower earners tend to have less choice in new roles.

yep shock horror some people are 'below average' or unlucky, these people don't get the high flying jobs they end up with low paying sh*t jobs that they are glad to have and are abused by immoral organisations.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

yep shock horror some people are 'below average' or unlucky, these people don't get the high flying jobs they end up with low paying sh*t jobs that they are glad to have and are abused by immoral organisations.

So your point is what exactly? It's Ok for immoral organisations to abuse thick/unlucky people because, er ...they do?

[doodab]

So your point is what exactly? It's Ok for immoral organisations to abuse thick/unlucky people because, er ...they do?

It's a choice. The benefit of a flexible labour market is that thick / unlucky people can choose which immoral organisation they'd like to be abused by. Those people who refuse to be abused are simply making a bad choice because of their sense of entitlement.