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Iran's 60 year war against Israel

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    #61
    That's a very historic religious view surely

    Originally posted by lilelvis2000
    If Israel really wanted to kill civilians they would have killed thousand by now. However, their intelligence in the area is quite poor, so they bomb anything suspicious. From time to time they do make mistakes of course. But this is war, S**T happens. Hezbollah hopes that by sacrificing civilians their installations will be safe. Israel has proven them to not be.

    However, I do not consider Israel to be a kind country. It has a zealous hatred to the palestines and treats them like third class citizens. I'm even wary about their claim that the soldiers were in Israel when they were abducted. And remember the genocide on their hands in a refugee camp in southern Lebanon not too long ago. They are not nazis, but they beleive they are ordained "the chosen people" and so can do whatever they like. They are guaranteed heaven. The rest of us go to hell. Ironic then, that many israelis consider themselves to be agnostic.

    And oh yeah the Iranians are nuts but this does buy them time on their nuclear program. You know how the American's wag the dog!

    Israel is in the middle of a land surrounded by peoples who would not bat an eyelid if every last Israeli was to die tomorrow. Some of the countries bordering Israel have avowed that their intention is to push Israel into the sea, every one of them would take Israel on now if they believed for one minute that they could beat them militarily.
    Israel has to be tough and has to be seen to be tough. Let's not pretend that battles are fought out in the open, where soldiers meet other soldiers.
    Hezbollah have been attacking Israel for a number of weeks, sending missiles into Haifa from the heart of towns in Lebanon. What do you suggest Israel does to counter? Discuss it with the UN (whose resolution for Lebanon to clear out Hezbollah from within it's borders has been how effective?), that talking shop, perhaps they could try to forge a peace with a terrorist organization whose raison d'etre is, let me think now, oh, yes, to bomb Israel off the map and to kill all Israelis, well, obviously there's some common ground there then, not. Perhaps they should just let themselves be killed off piecemeal, as no doubt the appeasers (and there are many of them, not always with a specific pro-arab agenda) would agree to.
    I think that Israel could perhaps sometimes be more conciliatory towards it's neighbours, but hey, perhaps the jews remember what happened last time they tried appeasement, the road to Dachau, Auschwitz, Birkenau etc. was pathed with the intent to appease their enemies.
    Why not?

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      #62
      Originally posted by Fungus
      America used nukes against Japan, arguing that it saved millions of Allied lives as the Japanese were fighting to the death, island by island. I happen to agree.
      Well I happen to agree with you.

      I should have qualified my statement....

      Premptive strike etc..what would happen?
      http://nickmueller.blogspot.com/

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        #63
        Originally posted by zeitghost
        Just watched Niall Ferguson's "The War of the World" on Ch4.

        In his opinion the significant event of the last 20 years of the 20th C was the dear old Ayatolah buggering off back to Iran in 1979...

        Immediately banned contraception & abortion with the result that the rate of population increase in Iran is 7 times what it is in Europe.

        Europe just ain't making enough babies... european ones that is... down to 1.3 per family now... and how the immigrants are necessary to pay all our pensions...

        Remember that SF story about how the human race suddenly went from 10 fingers to 12?

        Draw your own conclusions about the similarity.


        Doomed, I tell ye, doomed.

        And it's worse than that, Jim, while the chavs are breeding like flies, the more intelligent, like what we is, are mostly only having one or at most 2 children.

        Doomed.

        To mediocrity...

        You know he's a neocon apologist yes?
        http://nickmueller.blogspot.com/

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          #64
          Originally posted by zeitghost
          Even the neocons might be right some of the time...

          It's the rapture fanatics that scare me...
          Finally!!! Someone who understands what is going on....depending on the next answer...

          What is the roll of religious fanaticism in 'the body politic'?
          http://nickmueller.blogspot.com/

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            #65
            Originally posted by NickIT
            Finally!!! Someone who understands what is going on....depending on the next answer...

            What is the roll of religious fanaticism in 'the body politic'?
            An increasing one "religion is the opium of the people" etc etc

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              #66
              Originally posted by Hart-floot
              An increasing one "religion is the opium of the people" etc etc
              Wish I could say you and zeitghost are wrong.
              http://nickmueller.blogspot.com/

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                #67
                Originally posted by zeitghost
                I'm never wrong except when I'm wrong.
                That is doing my hangover no good at all!
                http://nickmueller.blogspot.com/

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                  #68
                  Or how about:

                  "Don't you ever get tired of being right?"

                  "No, only with the rest of you being wrong"

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by zeitghost
                    Sorry.

                    How about "I'm always right except when I'm not right"?

                    Better?
                    Perfect!
                    http://nickmueller.blogspot.com/

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by zeitghost
                      HTH
                      yeah...whats this HTH all about?

                      Not seen that before...
                      http://nickmueller.blogspot.com/

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