Iran's 60 year war against Israel

[ALM]

You're not exactly the sharpest or wittiest little pencil in the case are you ALM?

Careful what you say you terrorist. You're obviously unaware that Fungus is now well within his rights to occupy your land, demolish your house and build a new one in its place and sip cocktails by his new pool while waving at you over the fence.

[AlfredJPruffock]

All the Saudi's have to do is threaten to reduce their oil exports from Ras Tanura terminal by 30 % and the Americans will jump

Not to mention the vast amount of assets and cash the Saudis have invested in the US economy , if they dont get what they want then they could cause mayhem with that, thats why I guess they remained unpunished over Sep 11th.

As Mr Zimmerman said Money doesnt talk, it swears.

[DodgyAgent]

[QUOTE=AlfredJPruffock]Not to mention the vast amount of assets and cash the Saudis have invested in the US economy , if they dont get what they want then they could cause mayhem with that, thats why I guess they remained unpunished over Sep 11th.

As Mr Zimmerman said Money doesnt talk, it swears.

[IMG]

I am not sure why you have thrown Saudi into the equation Alf. My argument was that it is Iran that is behind the activities of Hamas and Hezbollah, I did not say anything other than that. In fact I would think that Saudi is very worried about Israel being wiped out precisely because it fears Iraq but also because it has a lot of money invested in the US. Perhaps you could explain why the Saudis would wish to destabilise a country in which it has so much invested.

[Clog II The Avenger]

Not to mention the vast amount of assets and cash the Saudis have invested in the US economy , if they dont get what they want then they could cause mayhem with that, thats why I guess they remained unpunished over Sep 11th.

As Mr Zimmerman said Money doesnt talk, it swears.

Rice thinks... “When is yo Bush going to let him have his tongue back”.

[DodgyAgent]

Rice thinks... “When is yo Bush going to let him have is tongue back”.

Bush:

"The thing about these arabs is that turn them upside down and they all feel the same"

[AlfredJPruffock]

[QUOTE=DodgyAgent]

Not to mention the vast amount of assets and cash the Saudis have invested in the US economy , if they dont get what they want then they could cause mayhem with that, thats why I guess they remained unpunished over Sep 11th.

As Mr Zimmerman said Money doesnt talk, it swears.

[IMG]

I am not sure why you have thrown Saudi into the equation Alf. My argument was that it is Iran that is behind the activities of Hamas and Hezbollah, I did not say anything other than that. In fact I would think that Saudi is very worried about Israel being wiped out precisely because it fears Iraq but also because it has a lot of money invested in the US. Perhaps you could explain why the Saudis would wish to destabilise a country in which it has so much invested.

To clarify matters I was simply mentioning that the Saudis had told Bush yesterday in no uncertain terms to stop the bombing and that it seemed odd that Rice then appears in Lebanon, perhaps that demonstrates the leverage that the Saudis have with Bush.

The Saudis are ,by virtue of the 2002 Peace Accord, in full recognition of Israel and are not attempting to destablise Israel, yet are very unhappy over the treatment of the Palestinians, perhaps its time this Peace Treaty was revisited.

The Saudis have now pressurised Bush, seemingly, into stopping the conflict presumably as they are terrified that the entire Middle East will become caught up in the chaos.

But this is just my humble observations, remember Im just a wee helpdesk nonentity living somewhere in this Mad 21st century.

[sasguru]

Hmmm. It's clear that Israel was created as a state for two reasons: (1) to create a Western-oriented nation in the Middle East to look after its oil interests and (2) to give the Jews a homeland. Not surprisingly the locals in the area have nurtured a grievance ever since.
There are unfortunately no solutions to the Middle Eastern problem other than finding other sources of energy. Then we can leave the whole cesspit alone. Of course, in that case, it would be incumbent on the West to take in the Jews - who would generally be an asset to any country.

[NickIT]

[QUOTE=DodgyAgent]

Not to mention the vast amount of assets and cash the Saudis have invested in the US economy , if they dont get what they want then they could cause mayhem with that, thats why I guess they remained unpunished over Sep 11th.

As Mr Zimmerman said Money doesnt talk, it swears.

[IMG]

I am not sure why you have thrown Saudi into the equation Alf. My argument was that it is Iran that is behind the activities of Hamas and Hezbollah, I did not say anything other than that. In fact I would think that Saudi is very worried about Israel being wiped out precisely because it fears Iraq but also because it has a lot of money invested in the US. Perhaps you could explain why the Saudis would wish to destabilise a country in which it has so much invested.

I would suspect it has something to do with Whabbism...

[DodgyAgent]

[QUOTE=AlfredJPruffock]

To clarify matters I was simply mentioning that the Saudis had told Bush yesterday in no uncertain terms to stop the bombing and that it seemed odd that Rice then appears in Lebanon, perhaps that demostrates the leverage that the Saudis have with Bush.

The Saudis by virtue of the 2002 Peace Accord do recognize Israel and are not attempting to destablise the country, yet are very unhappy over the treatment of the Palestinians, perhaps its time this Peace Treaty was revisited.

They have now pressurised Bush into stopping the conflict as they are terrified that the entire Middle East will become caught up in the chaos.

But this is just my humble observations, remember Im just a wee helpdesk nonentity living somewhere in this Mad 21st century.

How on earth is a peace treaty going to work if Iran, Syria, and their proxy terrorists want to destroy Israel? At least the IRA had a demand that did not amount to the destruction of an entire race. Surely the first thing that needs to happen is that there should at least be some common ground between all parties. The Iranian government is relying on its stance against Israel to prop up its own existence. If it can use Israeli violence to show its people it is under threat the Iranians will have no problem in allowing a few lebanese and Palestinians to die in the process.

My whole point is that until Iran and Syria realise that it is against their interests to bomb Israel out of existence then there cannot be any peaceful solution. If a ceasefire is reached and an agreement is made all that Hezbollah will do is try to import even more powerful missiles, build even more underground bunkers until the time is right to strike again.

So I repeat that there are no grounds for conciliation unless hezbollah is beaten or Iran/Syria decide to co-exist with Israel. Once that is achieved then maybe Israel can be pressured to return some of its land, and everyone can live happily ever after

It is really Janet and John stuff.

[sasguru]

[QUOTE=DodgyAgent]

... and everyone can live happily ever after

It is really Janet and John stuff.

Surely you don't really believe that?