Iran's 60 year war against Israel

[DodgyAgent]

At least there will be one good thing to come out of this...contractor rates will soar in the Middle East. Anyone know any good B&Bs in Beirut that still have a roof?

Prices are at Rock Bottom

[djfoot]

Prices are at Rock Bottom

What, B&B prices? Excellent? Does that include a full English? I imagine flights into Lebannon are going to be a problem though...

[AlfredJPruffock]

Are you suggesting Hezbollah had not deliberately situated much of there military and strategic command amongst the civilian population of Lebanon ?

How do you root out a terrorist organisation deliberately embedding itself amongst civilian communities from where it wages war on you ?

So by that logic we ought to have bombed Dublin?

As I mentioned the way to peace is though a political process, Jaw Jaw being better than War War.

If you restort to War so readily then you will create another cycle of violence, look at Israels last 15 year occupation of Lebanon to understand this reality and what came out of that.

Have to interrupt this thread to let you know that peace is about to break out int Middle East , GW has been told to stop the bombing by his masters in Saudia Arabia.


Saudi Arabia has asked US President George W Bush to intervene in Israel's military campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon to stop the mounting deaths.

"We have requested a cease-fire to allow for a cessation of hostilities," said Prince Saud al-Faisal, Saudi Foreign Minister.

Saud, the Saudi Ambassador to the United States, Prince Turki al-Faisal, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, chief of the Saudi National Security Council, met with Bush for more than an hour on Sunday.

Saud also said that he gave the US President a letter from Saudi King Abdullah asking Bush to help and seeking an immediate cease-fire in the Middle East conflict.

Saud added that Bush told him that he wanted the violence to stop, although he did not say how Bush responded to the request for an immediate halt to Israel's bombing campaign.

[NickIT]

I know, its called the cycle of violence.

Im afraid you cannot win the Peace by simply waging War, again as Churchill said Jaw Jaw is better than War War.

We're confident that the weapons of mass destruction are there (in Iraq). We now have to find them."

Geoff "Buff" Hoon, as Defence Secretary, May 3, 2003. The search continues - and the death toll rises.

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As an aside - Many of the Neocon/Fundie Americans take the discovery of those 500 shells as being the evidence that Saddam had WMD's.

I am not saying they are right or wrong. These people however think that the discovery of these shells are enough proof.
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The current situation in the Lebanon....I cannot help but think that Mossad could have found those soldiers.

Back in the 1980's four Russian diplomats were kidnapped by a groupd of Eygptian extremists in Beruit.

KGB had contacts and found out who was controlling the Egyptians. They then kidnapped the father of the leader of the group (if memory serves) and cut off his gnad. The body was left on the edge of town.

The Russians were released.

[AlfredJPruffock]

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As an aside - Many of the Neocon/Fundie Americans take the discovery of those 500 shells as being the evidence that Saddam had WMD's.

I am not saying they are right or wrong. These people however think that the discovery of these shells are enough proof.
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The current situation in the Lebanon....I cannot help but think that Mossad could have found those soldiers.

Back in the 1980's four Russian diplomats were kidnapped by a groupd of Eygptian extremists in Beruit.

KGB had contacts and found out who was controlling the Egyptians. They then kidnapped the father of the leader of the group (if memory serves) and cut off his gnad. The body was left on the edge of town.

The Russians were released.

Interesting that you mention Mossad whose motto is to Wage War by deception.

Given the above, I wouldnt be surprised if these soldiers had been captured inside the Lebanese border as part of a pre invasion task force.

[DodgyAgent]

So by that logic we ought to have bombed Dublin?

As I mentioned the way to peace is though a political process, Jaw Jaw being better than War War.

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I am sorry Alf but you are not getting away with that. Dublin may have been committed to controlling Northern Ireland but it was not committed to wiping out the UK. I cannot see why you insist that talking is the solution. Iran and Syria along with Hamas and Hezbollah are committed to the destruction of Israel, they have no interest in peace other than as a means of regrouping.

The whole middle East peace process was built upon the wrong assumption that all sides were prepared to live with each other provided that the right compromises were made.

[BobTheCrate]

So by that logic we ought to have bombed Dublin?

No it isn't by that logic Alf. Neither Dublin's nor the IRA's goal was the destruction of the state of Gt. Britain.

Hezbollah aren't interested in talk talk talk. They're interested, alongside their paymasters, in the destruction of the state of Israel.

Who is Israel suppose to talk with ? Syria ? Nope they don't want to know. Iran ? Nope they don't want to know either.

Hezbollah's strategy is to keep attacking Israel until they do get a military response.

My question still stands

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As a seperate issue Alf, Here's a question I'd love you to answer for me if you can. It's not an argumentative question.

Who was responsible for intimidating Syria out of Lebanon last year ?

It couldn't have been Hezbollah 'cos Syria backs Hezbollah ?

It couldn't have been the Lebanese authorities or people. They weren't/ aren't capable of influencing Hezbollah, let alone their paymasters ?

So who ... and how ?

[Clog II The Avenger]

Sorry to raise this again, but two articles in today's business and in the Times (bu Michael Portillo) show just how serious the threat of Iran is. So whilst all you smug "relativists" think that you can assuage your guilt by condemning Israel it is really time to take sides.

http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Sto...8-E1AC85BF7FDF

I am not in favour of one side or another in the continuing war in Israel - Palestine. Both sides have committed terrible atrocities. Another point that is common to both sides is the continuing clap trap that comes out on both sides. On the Arab side they see every problem in the world caused by the Jew. On the Israeli side there is a steady flow of official clap trap in order to brainwash the public. This article is ridiculous and there is no sixty year war by Iran with Israel. The Late Shah and the Shah before were pro USA and pro Israel to the extent that the Shah had Israeli special forces and secret services SAVAC protecting him; no wonder the people are anti Israeli ant the moment. As far back as biblical time it is mentioned the Persia liberated Jewish slaves and many settled in Iran and are still their today. I do believed that Iran is interfering and supplying arms in the middle east today but so is the USA do the same on the other side.

For a really sensible view I would suggest listening to the Gerald Kaufmann, himself a Jew but is against the Israeli policy on aggression against Lebanon and Palestine.

[BobTheCrate]

This article is ridiculous and there is no sixty year war by Iran with Israel.

The article doesn't say that. It says Iran has taken the lead in that war i.e taken over the struggle.

To dismiss the whole article as clap-trap on the basis you did seems a tad strange.

[DodgyAgent]

I am not in favour of one side or another in the continuing war in Israel - Palestine. Both sides have committed terrible atrocities. Another point that is common to both sides is the continuing clap trap that comes out on both sides. On the Arab side they see every problem in the world caused by the Jew. On the Israeli side there is a steady flow of official clap trap in order to brainwash the public. This article is ridiculous and there is no sixty year war by Iran with Israel. The Late Shah and the Shah before were pro USA and pro Israel to the extent that the Shah had Israeli special forces and secret services SAVAC protecting him; no wonder the people are anti Israeli ant the moment. As far back as biblical time it is mentioned the Persia liberated Jewish slaves and many settled in Iran and are still their today. I do believed that Iran is interfering and supplying arms in the middle east today but so is the USA do the same on the other side.

For a really sensible view I would suggest listening to the Gerald Kaufmann, himself a Jew but is against the Israeli policy on aggression against Lebanon and Palestine.

You dont seem to grasp why this conflict is happening at all do you. Bottom of the class for you then.