Iran's 60 year war against Israel

[AlfredJPruffock]

The End Days are beckoning ...its too late now but I did warn you ...

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia today warned that Israel risked triggering a wider Middle East war if it did not seek a peaceful way out of the Lebanese conflict.

The statement - broadcast by Saudi state television - followed a vow from the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, that there would be no let-up in the military campaign against Hizbullah.



In quotes carried by Saudi television, the king said "no one can predict what will happen if things get out of control". He warned that "if the peace option fails because of Israeli arrogance, there will be no other option but war".


Fighting continued today as Israeli troops tightened ...

[Hart-floot]

I must go down to the sea again
To the bright blue sea and sky
I left my shoes and socks there
I wonder if they're dry?

Well this Nostradamus quadrant has been interpreted by many as a reference to the coming nuclear war in the middle east.

I'm more inclined to think it was Nostradamus remembering a skinnydipping episode down at a beach near to St Tropez

[Phoenix]

Well this Nostradamus quadrant has been interpreted by many as a reference to the coming nuclear war in the middle east.

I'm more inclined to think it was Nostradamus remembering a skinnydipping episode down at a beach near to St Tropez

More like, I'm bored with this subject, so I thought a bit of Spike Milligan might help IMHO

[AlfredJPruffock]

The key is that the writer wonders if his shoes were dry meaning even altough normally the sea would have meade them wet the nuclear blast from the Middle East had made them dry instead, well dust even.

But thats poetic license folks.

Anyway leaving the Apocalyspe aside, what about house prices post Apocalypse, good time to buy or sell?

[Phoenix]

The key is that the writer wonders if his shoes were dry meaning even altough normally the sea would have meade them wet the nuclear blast from the Middle East had made them dry instead, well dust even.

But thats poetic license folks.

Anyway leaving the Apocalyspe aside, what about house prices post Apocalypse, good time to buy or sell?

Look he went for a bloody swim OK! He got home and found he left his bloody shoes on the beach!

[snaw]

The key is that the writer wonders if his shoes were dry meaning even altough normally the sea would have meade them wet the nuclear blast from the Middle East had made them dry instead, well dust even.

But thats poetic license folks.

Anyway leaving the Apocalyspe aside, what about house prices post Apocalypse, good time to buy or sell?

Well you've heard that saying 'They're not making any more land'. A different approach to this problem could be to cull the population a wee bit. Thus creating a glut in supply. My hunch - sell it all now and in a couple of years could be set to buy a small country somewhere, or duchy at the very least.

[NickIT]

Here comes the not entirely unexcepted Isreali 'Security Zone'...

Just breaking on the Beeb

[Fungus]

Israel is in the middle of a land surrounded by peoples who would not bat an eyelid if every last Israeli was to die tomorrow. Some of the countries bordering Israel have avowed that their intention is to push Israel into the sea, every one of them would take Israel on now if they believed for one minute that they could beat them militarily.
Israel has to be tough and has to be seen to be tough. Let's not pretend that battles are fought out in the open, where soldiers meet other soldiers.
Hezbollah have been attacking Israel for a number of weeks, sending missiles into Haifa from the heart of towns in Lebanon. What do you suggest Israel does to counter? Discuss it with the UN (whose resolution for Lebanon to clear out Hezbollah from within it's borders has been how effective?), that talking shop, perhaps they could try to forge a peace with a terrorist organization whose raison d'etre is, let me think now, oh, yes, to bomb Israel off the map and to kill all Israelis, well, obviously there's some common ground there then, not. Perhaps they should just let themselves be killed off piecemeal, as no doubt the appeasers (and there are many of them, not always with a specific pro-arab agenda) would agree to.
I think that Israel could perhaps sometimes be more conciliatory towards it's neighbours, but hey, perhaps the jews remember what happened last time they tried appeasement, the road to Dachau, Auschwitz, Birkenau etc. was pathed with the intent to appease their enemies.

Use the rhetoric Luke, the rhetoric ...

Well you have learned well the Jewish Israeli spin. It's rather like the US spin. Create a big enough bogey man, ignore the facts, and you suddenly have the right to kill as many people as you want. Israeli hysteria justifies anything.

But lets see what the reality is.

In truth the neighbouring countries are not a threat to Israel's existence. They are militarily weak compared to Israel which is a thriving modern economy. Lebanon recently got rid of lots of Syrians thanks to a popular reaction against them. The country was becoming more stable, less Syrian influenced. Some Syrians, and some Syrian influence remaoins. The Lebanese cannot get rid of Hezbollah overnight, without civil war, and the attacks on Israel were relatively minor (when compared to Israeli attacks on the West Bank and Gaza). And now Lebanon is flattened, with the economy in tatters, and hence likely to be more dependent on Syria. And we have the Syrian ambassador on the radio with his bull tulip drive turned up to warp 10 and gloating like a feline from Cheshire. Eqypt is not a threat. Jordan is not a threat. Syria is a minor threat, little more than a wasp occasionally stinging the elephant to show that it does not like elephants. Saudi Arabia is not a threat as long as Israel does not go out of control as it is doing.

And that leaves Iran. President I'm A Dinner Jacket has said that Israel should be eliminated, and Israel tulips itself, and starts over-reacting. So what. Lots of countries come out with aggressive rhetoric but that does not justify large scale military assaults on Lebanon. But the potential of Iran to obtain nuclear weapons should be taken seriously and prevented. Quite how killing hundreds of Lebanese furthers that aim is anyones guess.

Israel bears a close resemblance to pre-war Nazi Germany in that it uses rhetoric to villify and demonise various groups of people and hence justify barbaric behaviour. The Israelis and Israel friendly Jews I have spoken to have no sense of proportion. Every small threat to Israel is blown out of all proportion and compared to 9/11 in an attempt to manipulate the West into forgetting that Israel is fighting a war of occupation. Arabs are described as evil anti-semites. I am told that Syria should be attacked. And conversely some Arab nations are using the Israeli war of occupation as a smokescreen to cover up their own oppressive natures.

It's not surprising that so many religions have their roots in the so-called Holy Land. I can think of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Bahai. No doubt it's because they all think they are God.

[sasguru]

Anyway leaving the Apocalyspe aside, what about house prices post Apocalypse, good time to buy or sell?

Well post-apocalypse there should be some good bargains around. If you're good at DIY and interested in the long term, you could build up quite a portfolio.

[Dundeegeorge]

Use the rhetoric indeed

Use the rhetoric Luke, the rhetoric ...

Well you have learned well the Jewish Israeli spin. It's rather like the US spin. Create a big enough bogey man, ignore the facts, and you suddenly have the right to kill as many people as you want. Israeli hysteria justifies anything.

But lets see what the reality is.

In truth the neighbouring countries are not a threat to Israel's existence.
Individually, let's not give them the idea they can gang up on Israel
They are militarily weak compared to Israel which is a thriving modern economy. Lebanon recently got rid of lots of Syrians thanks to a popular reaction against them.
But not obviously Hezbollah who were firing missiles into Israel, or perhaps that was just made up.
The country was becoming more stable, less Syrian influenced. Some Syrians, and some Syrian influence remaoins. The Lebanese cannot get rid of Hezbollah overnight, without civil war, and the attacks on Israel were relatively minor (when compared to Israeli attacks on the West Bank and Gaza).
Well yes, but Israel's reaction was relatively minor compared to the USA's attacks on Japan
And now Lebanon is flattened, with the economy in tatters, and hence likely to be more dependent on Syria. And we have the Syrian ambassador on the radio with his bull tulip drive turned up to warp 10 and gloating like a feline from Cheshire. Eqypt is not a threat. Jordan is not a threat. Syria is a minor threat, little more than a wasp occasionally stinging the elephant to show that it does not like elephants. Saudi Arabia is not a threat as long as Israel does not go out of control as it is doing.
Well there we disagree. It's my opinion that if saudi arabia was nuked tomorrow 99.9% of world terrorism would stop immediately, at least that's what it said in my 'American foreign office guide to outsiders!'
And that leaves Iran. President I'm A Dinner Jacket has said that Israel should be eliminated, and Israel tulips itself, and starts over-reacting. So what. Lots of countries come out with aggressive rhetoric but that does not justify large scale military assaults on Lebanon. But the potential of Iran to obtain nuclear weapons should be taken seriously and prevented. Quite how killing hundreds of Lebanese furthers that aim is anyones guess.
Yes the whole Syrian/Iran mouth-off is a micschevious distraction from their side, but it also emphasises Iran's links with the rest of the arab world aghainst Israel (and by extension the USA).
And again Israel overreacts. That may be but given their history would you expect them to react otherwise? Even though it was a long time ago, their national psyche seems to be heavily coloured by the holocaust, and does that surprise you? How many other races were told we're going to destroy every last one of you and then watched it almost happen?

Israel bears a close resemblance to pre-war Nazi Germany in that it uses rhetoric to villify and demonise various groups of people and hence justify barbaric behaviour. The Israelis and Israel friendly Jews I have spoken to have no sense of proportion. Every small threat to Israel is blown out of all proportion and compared to 9/11 in an attempt to manipulate the West into forgetting that Israel is fighting a war of occupation. Arabs are described as evil anti-semites. I am told that Syria should be attacked. And conversely some Arab nations are using the Israeli war of occupation as a smokescreen to cover up their own oppressive natures.

Israel does seem to have a you're for us or against us mentality but I think they're entitled to, again their history drives them.
Israel has fought wars of occupation but they are currently (or were until about a week ago) within the borders that the UN had proscribed, weren't they?
I don't see how the arabs are using this a smokescreen, surely everybody knows how oppressive arab countries are?

It's not surprising that so many religions have their roots in the so-called Holy Land. I can think of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Bahai. No doubt it's because they all think they are God.

Now there at last we do have a point of complete agreement. Peolpe can't live in such heat and remain sane!