So what do we do with these areas

[Troll]

Barking & Dagenham on that list is quite surprising - both are close & therefore commutable to the honey pot that is London

[Old Hack]

Barking & Dagenham on that list is quite surprising - both are close & therefore commutable to the honey pot that is London

Ford withdrew from that area quite substantially I think, so I can see why/how

[vetran]

People going in and making relationships and helping is probably better than any political generalised solution, but it requires a lot of people and is a hard job.

Breaking up the 'ghettos' and spreading people out might work but then you find you've got one moved next door to you and suddenly it doesn't seem a good idea

they used to house the Junk & Junkies together in the big towers off the M4, it was horrible for the other Residents. Same in Croydon. Breaking them up did help.

But if we had effective policing and enforced work for the majority of residents that cause trouble it would be easier.

[xoggoth]

Breaking up the 'ghettos' and spreading people out might work

It might. Can't find it now but read a recent study in Jamaica re the myth that crime is all about poverty. The major poverty is in rural areas but most crime (after allowing for population density) is in cities. Sheer concentration adds to opportunity, peer pressure, ease of organisation etc. We would be far better off if we aimed to reduce our population.

[amcdonald]

Barking & Dagenham on that list is quite surprising - both are close & therefore commutable to the honey pot that is London

Cheap to get into London, but surprisingly some areas aren't too bad

Move a little further out to Rainham, and there are traditional working class families that actually do work

[Old Greg]

It might. Can't find it now but read a recent study in Jamaica re the myth that crime is all about poverty. The major poverty is in rural areas but most crime (after allowing for population density) is in cities. Sheer concentration adds to opportunity, peer pressure, ease of organisation etc. We would be far better off if we aimed to reduce our population.

The difficulty with population reduction is that we have an aging population. To reduce the overall population at the same time as the over 70 population is increasing will created serious imbalances.

[vetran]

The difficulty with population reduction is that we have an aging population. To reduce the overall population at the same time as the over 70 population is increasing will created serious imbalances.

such as?

[d000hg]

such as?

80% of the population claiming pensions

[Old Greg]

such as?

The ratio of over 70s to under 70s would increase more markedly than if the overall population didn't increase. We need to consider what that would mean for:

- Age of retirement
- Health and social care expenditure (whether sate or private) per capita

Look at the demographic direction Japan is travelling in with an aging population, low birth rate and low immigration:

It is Japan we should be worrying about, not America - Telegraph

[mudskipper]

One in every five British children now grows up in a workless household
Government spends more than one in every three pounds on welfare

Not suggesting these families aren't a problem, but I think the DM has done it's usual trick of putting two statements together implying one causes the other.
The hugest chunk by far of the welfare budget goes on pensioners, not 'benefit scroungers'