So what do we do with these areas

[VectraMan]

80% of the population claiming pensions

Aren't we heading that way anyway? The only way to avoid it is uncontrolled immigration, which doesn't tend to go down well.

[Old Greg]

Aren't we heading that way anyway? The only way to avoid it is uncontrolled immigration, which doesn't tend to go down well.

That's one way. The others are a combination of:

Controlled immigration
Decreased emigration
Increased retirement age
Encouraging higher birth rate

[d000hg]

That's one way. The others are a combination of:

Controlled immigration
Decreased emigration
Increased retirement age
Encouraging higher birth rate

A smaller population though is not necessarily a bad thing, however you do have to go through a 'hump' as the remnants of the larger population retire. Increasing birth rate puts pressure on people at work now since then we have increased costs for education, etc.

[ZARDOZ]

The whole thing is such a mess there is no easy solution. Traditionally there would have been low skilled labour jobs, but we don't make anything anymore so they largely don't exist. That leaves low paid service sector jobs, which require good communication skills, that largely rules those jobs out. What's left?

[Troll]

The whole thing is such a mess there is no easy solution. Traditionally there would have been low skilled labour jobs, but we don't make anything anymore so they largely don't exist. That leaves low paid service sector jobs, which require good communication skills, that largely rules those jobs out. What's left?

War...

[ZARDOZ]

War...

..What is it good for?

[vetran]

The ratio of over 70s to under 70s would increase more markedly than if the overall population didn't increase. We need to consider what that would mean for:

- Age of retirement
- Health and social care expenditure (whether sate or private) per capita

Look at the demographic direction Japan is travelling in with an aging population, low birth rate and low immigration:

It is Japan we should be worrying about, not America - Telegraph

so the imported people don't grow old or should we just allow them in on Visas?

Its an issue we have to work through at some time.

[vetran]

War...

that is what most sane people want to avoid, however I suspect it may be the end result.

[vetran]

Increased retirement age

is the only sensible option, it will keep the older people healthy and keep our overpopulated country from becoming more so.

Remember many of the 16-25 year olds aren't working.

[vetran]

Not suggesting these families aren't a problem, but I think the DM has done it's usual trick of putting two statements together implying one causes the other.
The hugest chunk by far of the welfare budget goes on pensioners, not 'benefit scroungers'

It does and the spend needs splitting in public.

BUT - if you force someone who is unemployed into work you get a multiple bonus:
1. No JSA paid.
2. Employment tax increase.
3. Less likely to commit crime out of boredom or desperation.
4. Health improvements in claimant.
5. less likely to breed in quantity if Baby benefit bonus withdrawn.

etc.