The oncoming wave - we have no idea

[vetran]

File:GDP per capita big four Western Europe.PNG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2004 is when Poland joined the EU. Note the effect on the above graph to the GDP per capita caused by a million poles turning up.

as they didn't actually admit a million Poles had turned up until 2011 the "per capita" Graph doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. I would imagine population statistics are off by a few million.

Always easy to ignore lags due to personal reserves or pro active avoidance (such as extending education to 18).

[DodgyAgent]

Definitely the latter. What are you going to do when these marvellous migrants have themselves picked up the same lax attitudes, import yet more? It may not take too long, if you look at the facts on educational achievement and employment, the worst performers are migrants or descendants of recent migrants - major groups include Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and blacks. Eastern European children in our schools achieve slightly less than white Brits too.

Instead of this quick "fix" that isn't actually a fix at all, we need to start forcing attitudes to change in this country with proper education and by restoring incentives. Society should not support those who are unwilling to contribute in proportion to their ability. Adults make their own choices, any who are able to work but will not do so should have no support from the state whatever.

Good job you are anti fox hunting

[mos]

I'm hoping their coming might at least raise the level of spoken and written English in this country.

Statistically the most fervent opponents to the immigration from Eastern Europe are themselves most likely to be recent immigrants.

[vetran]

Statistically the most fervent opponents to the immigration from Eastern Europe are themselves most likely to be recent immigrants.

because they are most likely to be directly affected & disadvantaged see Gate Gourmet.

[sasguru]

It is perfectly correct that immigration does not impact jobs the way some imagine because it is essentially grafting another economy onto ours. Migrants supply services needed by migrants, migrants work in businesses created by migrants, migrants build houses needed by migrants etc, etc.

However, what mass immigration does not do is anything at all for the existing citizens of this country. It may grow the GDP but it does not do what matters, grow the GDP per capita. The impact in terms of pressure on our land, housing, schools, infrastructure etc is colossal and wholly negative.

Funny, then, that London's booming economy, whose inhabitants are 40% foreign, tends to subsidise the rest of the country according to all the data available.

look at the table in this link:
London's taxes prop up the rest of the UK: One pound in every five earned in the capital funds the rest of the country | This is Money

Sadly the facts do not match your prejudices.
It looks like foreigners in London are keeping natives in the provinces in the manner to which they are accustomed: i.e. unproductive public sector jobs, council houses and plasma TVs.

[xoggoth]

Funny, then, that London's booming economy, whose inhabitants are 40% foreign, tends to subsidise the rest of the country according to all the data available.

Damn it, I forgot to log in so your typical crap was not on my ignore list as usual. London's economy is founded on its banking, business, insurance and financial sectors. Doubtless useful migrants do contribute to that but to imply that the London economy is because of immigration is CRETINOUS even by your standards. In fact, the poorest areas in London, like Tower Hamlets, Tottenham, Southwark, Enfield, Lambeth, Hackney and Harrow are generally those with the highest proportions of ethnic minorities.

[eek]

in London, like Tower Hamlets, Tottenham, Southwark, Enfield, Lambeth, Hackney and Harrow are generally those with the highest proportions of ethnic minorities.

Isn't that because they are the cheapest places to live in so new arrivals go there to save money?

[vetran]

Isn't that because they are the cheapest places to live in so new arrivals go there to save money?

No the cheapest places to live are in the north. They tried putting them up there they all moved back.

Key point is London provides existing Ghettos so they have their countrymen near to them and low skilled work that the locals are paid not to do.

[xoggoth]

If only they were full of skilled people just temporarily residing there until they moved up. Not true of far too many in those areas unfortunately, the problems go back generations.

Half of UK's young black males are unemployed | Society | The Guardian

[Doggy Styles]

Funny, then, that London's booming economy, whose inhabitants are 40% foreign, tends to subsidise the rest of the country according to all the data available.

look at the table in this link:
London's taxes prop up the rest of the UK: One pound in every five earned in the capital funds the rest of the country | This is Money

Sadly the facts do not match your prejudices.
It looks like foreigners in London are keeping natives in the provinces in the manner to which they are accustomed: i.e. unproductive public sector jobs, council houses and plasma TVs.

I was under the impression that, apart from those rich buggers who can afford to live in places like Kensington and Islington, most of the wealth-makers in London commute in from the stockbroker belt and beyond.

I wouldn't have thought many come from popular immigrant resorts like Tower Hamlets.