Reasonable comment or Misogynistic madness?

[Spacecadet]

Rape, unlike mugging, isn't at all opportunistic. An opportunity alone won't turn any normal or desperate male into a rapist.

Most normal people don't mug someone just because the see an opportunity

[Troll]

One thing you are all missing that is relevant in the discussion is - alcohol.
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[mudskipper]

So, if it were proven that women who dress demurely were more likely to get raped, would anyone be advising women to dress more tartily?
My guess is no. So what the comment is really about comes down to what the commentator thinks 'nice' women should wear. In which case it is misogynistic.

[SueEllen]

I would argue that I am afraid. We do care which is exactly why women dress up.

You and your mates care but not all men care.

I learnt that first a few years ago when I was just dragged on a night out by my mates with absolutely no time to change after getting off a train.

Oh and I don't understand your second comment as in my wider area dog walkers and joggers as well as women who walked home alone not wearing heels and not drunk after nights out have been raped. I also know school girls who have been threatened with rape and they have either been wearing their school uniform or jeans. The school uniform was trousers in one case and in the other a school skirt which was below the knees.

[northernladuk]

You and your mates care but not all men care.

I learnt that first a few years ago when I was just dragged on a night out by my mates with absolutely no time to change after getting off a train.

Oh and I don't understand your second comment as in my wider area dog walkers and joggers as well as women who walked home alone not wearing heels and not drunk after nights out have been raped. I also know school girls who have been threatened with rape and they have either been wearing their school uniform or jeans. The school uniform was trousers in one case and in the other a school skirt which was below the knees.

That's right, cause all lad mags don't have any glamorous women in cause we don't care.

As I said this is not a coverall or excuse for any one particular area or reason and worded badly for shock factor..

BTW if it doesn't matter what a girl wears why do parents go ballistic when their daughters go out dressed in little more than a handkerchief and make up.... safety fears above all else... they don't say it as explicitly as the news article says, hence my comments that is a tad too direct and therefore open to debate but every parent acts on the same fears to some level.

[formant]

Most normal people don't mug someone just because the see an opportunity

No, but enough desperate people steal or mug when the situation arises and they think they can get away with it. Mugging is about being morally compromised - which can be situational, driven by circumstance (it can no doubt also be a way of life for some). I don't believe you can be a 'situational' rapist in that sort of way.

[formant]

So a predatory rapist dragging someone into a bush is the same as a drunk, hormone raging teenage boy with a similar girl?

Just as Murder & Manslaughter are the same? They have the same outcome so they must be the same.

They have different motives and modus operandi , therefore they need to be investigated and prosecuted differently. Just as avoidance measures need to be different.

Murder and manslaughter are two legally distinct crimes, based predominantly on intent (not modus operandi). There is no and should be no legal distinction between two approaches to rape. Rape is legally defined as having sex with another person without their consent. That definition fits a variety of circumstances. As there is however no difference in intent - where a lack of consent is disregarded and the crime subsequently commited, it's rape. End of. If you want modus operandi to be the main differentiating factor, maybe you want to start arguing that stabbing someone to death is a 'lighter' version of murder than dismembering them.

Hard to believe but just because a rapist doesn't drag every victim into a bush but is a drunk, hormonal raging teenage boy doesn't mean he hasn't done it before with a different girl.

This is the same for nearly every type of crime you can think off - the majority of perpetrators will carry on until they get stopped.

That's the thing that juries don't hear as they aren't allowed.

They aren't allowed to find out that the perpetrator has a history of convictions, failed court cases and allegations for the same thing.

Yeah, this.

[cojak]

Not surprised about the 'Yes, but' comments.

They sound as if they (and that MP) give guys permission to rape if they see women with short skirts and heels (and if they're drunk so much the better).

Until it's your daughter/wife/mother.

It might be a different matter then.

[rob s]

How about if we employ the principle of 'reductio ad absurdem' - does it become clearer then?

"Any woman that isn't wearing a chastity belt and accompanied by two armed male (eunuch) relatives is basically asking for it...."

or

"Any woman who walks around in broad daylight is asking for it"


Does it therefore become any less ridiculous to say that "any woman who wears fewer clothes than what someone else arbitrarily defines as 'normal' is therefore asking for it?"

[Mich the Tester]

How about if we employ the principle of 'reductio ad absurdem' - does it become clearer then?

"Any woman that isn't wearing a chastity belt and accompanied by two armed male (eunuch) relatives is basically asking for it...."

Any woman that's forced to wear a chastity belt and be accompanied by two armed male (eunuch) relatives will probably be gagging for it after a while.