Reasonable comment or Misogynistic madness?

[mudskipper]

Is there any evidence that women dressed in a certain way are more likely to get raped? Or is it just an assumption?

[original PM]

Is there any evidence that women dressed in a certain way are more likely to get raped? Or is it just an assumption?

that is a good question but i think ladies in tiny skirts/halter tops will generally get noticed more than those in dungarees...

also it is easy to slip one into a lady with a tiny skirt than struggle with a pair of dungarees......

i think it is the sexually provocative nature of the clothes... although not being in any way a rapist I am not an expert.

[northernladuk]

Is there any evidence that women dressed in a certain way are more likely to get raped? Or is it just an assumption?

Well take a lesser view on it. When you are out on a night out who do all the men ogle and desire? The one with her tits popping out and skirt up her arse or the one in jeans and a polo neck? Dressing like that draws attention, it is why they do it. You cannot deny this puts the wearer at a much much greater risk of drawing the wrong attention.... Showing you cleavage attracts all the guys, including rapists. It's the same thing as dressing like that is more likely to get a guy to buy you a drink. The amount of attention you generate is proportional to how you dress.

It's a difficult thing for someone to say as they will attract a lot of flack but there does appear to be some common sense in it somewhere.

[mudskipper]

But if many rapes happen after a night on the town, most people will be dressed up.

[northernladuk]

But if many rapes happen after a night on the town, most people will be dressed up.

But many more happen to dog walkers on unlight parks or in peoples homes. This isn't a one shot answer to all rapes and could be only covering a tiny percentage of rapes that were done because she looks hot. I don't think you can fix anything with this comment. It is more like a caution that dressing provocatively will attract unwanted as well as wanted attention, beware type thing.

Rapes won't stop if every woman on earth wears a polo neck. Just a wake up call to some I suppose.

I think he could have worded it better. Dressing up is more likely to get you in to uncomfortable situations would have been a better warning than going straight for the jugular. People wouldn't have listened to that though as it isn't shocking enough to encourage debate.

[mudskipper]

Dressing up is more likely to get you in to uncomfortable situations

But is it? Genuine question - I can see why people assume that if you look 'sexy' you're more likely to get raped, but is that true?

[vetran]

It's the same thing as dressing like that is more likely to get a guy to buy you a drink. The amount of attention you generate is proportional to how you dress.

It's a difficult thing for someone to say as they will attract a lot of flack but there does appear to be some common sense in it somewhere.

Interesting that pre meditated rapists don't tend to look at what they are wearing, they look for convenience & victim factor. They want to abuse & debase. There are studies that prove this.

I suspect there is an opportunist rapist that had no intention of misbehaving but gets caught up in emotion / hormones.

I suspect The "non consensual sex" offenders will take notice of such things and it may be a major part of their decision to go too far.

There seems to be little research in these areas because "all rapists are the same and should be strung up".

[original PM]

so question for the ladies then..

Do you dress differently for a night on town when you are looking to attract men then if you were just out with the girls for a good time?

[mudskipper]

Study here http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/...&context=djglp

"While people perceive dress to have an impact on who is assaulted, studies of rapists suggest that victim attire is not a significant factor. Instead, rapists look for signs of passiveness and submissiveness, which, studies suggest, are [*pg 145] more likely to coincide with more body-concealing clothing.140 In a study to test whether males could determine whether women were high or low in passiveness and submissiveness, Richards and her colleagues found that men, using only nonverbal appearance cues, could accurately assess which women were passive and submissive versus those who were dominant and assertive.141 Clothing was one of the key cues: "Those females high in passivity and submissiveness (i.e., those at greatest risk for victimization) wore noticeably more body-concealing clothing (i.e., high necklines, long pants and sleeves, multiple layers)."142 This suggests that men equate body-concealing clothing with passive and submissive qualities, which are qualities that rapists look for in victims. Thus, those who wore provocative clothes would not be viewed as passive or submissive, and would be less likely to be victims of assault."

So this would suggest, that at least sometimes, you're less likely to get raped if you look 'feisty'.

[northernladuk]

Interesting that pre meditated rapists don't tend to look at what they are wearing, they look for convenience & victim factor. They want to abuse & debase. There are studies that prove this.

I suspect The "non consensual sex" offenders will take notice of such things and it may be a major part of their decision to go too far. There seems to be little research in this area because "all rapists are the same and should be strung up".

That is true and this is why I said this isn't a cover all comment. It doesn't apply to much of it... What about the the problem with teenagers that is being advertised on the TV? They don't know when to stop when they get the raging hormones? You seen the advert with the lad banging on the glass when he can see himself. Would that be as much a problem if the young lasses didn't have shorts with their arses and boobs hanging out at 16+?

As I also said the number of assaults that have this as a factor will probably be very small which is why I think a warning rather than something so direct would have been more accurate. Underlying comment from me is dressing provocatively is going to attract the wrong attention so be careful which I believe is true.