Muslims stirring it

[Hawk]

But the optional religious part would be available to anyone, however not everyone can be accepted by every religion. However, that is not really important as they are still married - I mean there will always be religions somewhere which you do not qualify for.

I am not particularly knowedgable on anything and the law is no exception. Can things like a chess club refuse someone's application to join based upon the sexual orientation or can they refuse to allow them to stand for the committee or anything like that?

No, no way. Completely illegal

The BNP tried to stop an Asian chap joining them and failed at the high court.

Don't worry about d000hg, he's just a tolerant christian, like the rest of them

[MyUserName]

No, no way. Completely illegal

The BNP tried to stop an Asian chap joining them and failed at the high court.

Don't worry about d000hg, he's just a tolerant christian, like the rest of them

Hmmmm ... in that case I do not really see why religions should be allowed to restrict sevices based on the same criteria.

Kind of ruins my idea of a state marriage and then a religious service if you want where they can pick and choose. If it is illegal to discriminate then it is illegal, I am against religions having any kind of special legal exceptions.

[Hawk]

Hmmmm ... in that case I do not really see why religions should be allowed to restrict sevices based on the same criteria.

Kind of ruins my idea of a state marriage and then a religious service if you want where they can pick and choose. If it is illegal to discriminate then it is illegal, I am against religions having any kind of special legal exceptions.

Me too, although ironically all of these tolerant, peaceful, law abiding christians about will fight tooth and nail to avoid it. But it will happen, it's just time now.

[d000hg]

Where are you getting that quote from?

[d000hg]

But the optional religious part would be available to anyone, however not everyone can be accepted by every religion. However, that is not really important as they are still married - I mean there will always be religions somewhere which you do not qualify for.

A church which refuses to bless a gay couple is still discriminating. You might think this isn't important but some definitely will do.

[d000hg]

Me too, although ironically all of these tolerant, peaceful, law abiding christians about will fight tooth and nail to avoid it. But it will happen, it's just time now.

There are many countries both now and in the past where churches meet/met illegally. Your stereotype of christians as tolerant, peaceful quiche-eaters is as inaccurate as the rest of your claims.

[MyUserName]

A church which refuses to bless a gay couple is still discriminating. You might think this isn't important but some definitely will do.

Yeah, I did not realise that it was illegal for clubs and societies to discriminate based upon sexual orientation. Religions should not be allowed to either in that case, they should have to follow the law like anyone else.

[Hawk]

A church which refuses to bless a gay couple is still discriminating. You might think this isn't important but some definitely will do.

A church, which refuses to marry a same sex couple is discriminating in some views. That is very wrong, and will change.

There are many countries both now and in the past where churches meet/met illegally. Your stereotype of christians as tolerant, peaceful quiche-eaters is as inaccurate as the rest of your claims.

Quite the contrary, I was actually quoting tolerance and peaceful as ironic content. However, it pleases me no end that you missed it.

Look, same sex marriage is coming, and coming with a bit of vengence. I have been speaking to a Muslim friend who states, not in his lifetime, which kind of explains what we're dealing with. I just cannot wait for this particular can of worms to open up. Genuinely. Religion has been at the core of most of our issues since the dawn of mankind, and it would be good to finally put it in its place. Any argument that starts with my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend needs to be stopped in its tracks.

When the Russians clamped down on religion, it did pretty much put the kybosh on it, for whoever got caught, was effectively removed from the game. Not right, not pretty, but an example of when the church took on the state. The church is losing its power daily, and this is just another manifestation of it.

[Hawk]

Yeah, I did not realise that it was illegal for clubs and societies to discriminate based upon sexual orientation. Religions should not be allowed to either in that case, they should have to follow the law like anyone else.

I agree; for me, it's just another club, to be honest. However, one with an imaginary leader, which makes it all the more stranger.

[d000hg]

Quite the contrary, I was actually quoting tolerance and peaceful as ironic content. However, it pleases me no end that you missed it.

No i was correcting you... you made out as if we pretend to be tolerant and calling us intolerant would be an offence. Christianity is offensive to a normal world view.

Look, same sex marriage is coming, and coming with a bit of vengence. I have been speaking to a Muslim friend who states, not in his lifetime, which kind of explains what we're dealing with. I just cannot wait for this particular can of worms to open up. Genuinely. Religion has been at the core of most of our issues since the dawn of mankind, and it would be good to finally put it in its place. Any argument that starts with my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend needs to be stopped in its tracks.

And what makes you think homosexuality is going to be the issue which kills religion? Religions have been at odds with society over tricky issues for thousands of years; you're being incredibly short-sighted.

When the Russians clamped down on religion, it did pretty much put the kybosh on it

No it really didn't. Throughout history, the church has traditionally grown stronger under oppression, and struggled when it's NOT oppressed. The countries where Christianity is growing fastest right now are often those where converting means you risk being cast out by your family and being persecuted or even beaten. We've links with Indian churches where the pastors are beaten and killed, and those church networks are growing exponentially, hundreds or thousands of new churches every year. Compare that to places like the UK.

And look at China over recent decades. They tried to quash religion and what happened was the birth of the biggest underground church movement in the world; when they started to lift restrictions suddenly the church witnessed the biggest growth/revival in history.

And of course, for the first couple of centuries Christianity suffered massive persecution under the Romans.

You're acting like you think the church has suddenly been turned on by the state but history shows us the church often experiences the biggest growth under these circumstances... again your lack of knowledge and short-sightedness are pretty shocking for someone making claims to know about what's going to happen.

And you still didn't source that quote. It's almost like you're simply pulling facts from thin air...