Who on here doesn't have children?

[MyUserName]

I love my kids dearly and would do anything for them, even punish them and cause them to resent me because I know it is what is best for them in the long run. I would sacrifice myself for them if I needed to - I stood between my 2 year old and 6 chav scumbags when they followed us down a side street a couple of years ago. I was not sure exactly how I was going to do it but I knew that they were not getting passed me to my daughter whilst I was still alive. After a brief staring match they began shuffling backwards until they legged it.

I would do the same again.

However, if I found out tomorrow that she was not mine then I would still do exactly the same again. I really do not think that blood line really matters that much.

[formant]

Would you care to define exactly what your understanding of the traditionalist gender role is and what you find so offensive about it?

Man as the sole provider, woman staying home with the kids. Nothing offensive about it in itself, but the sheer numbers make it a reality of sexism for those dads that are more involved (those taking extended leave, working flexibly to spend time with kids during the week, etc) and those women who aren't ending their career following childbirth.

[Old Hack]

I love my kids dearly and would do anything for them, even punish them and cause them to resent me because I know it is what is best for them in the long run. I would sacrifice myself for them if I needed to - I stood between my 2 year old and 6 chav scumbags when they followed us down a side street a couple of years ago. I was not sure exactly how I was going to do it but I knew that they were not getting passed me to my daughter whilst I was still alive. After a brief staring match they began shuffling backwards until they legged it.

I would do the same again.

However, if I found out tomorrow that she was not mine then I would still do exactly the same again. I really do not think that blood line really matters that much.

Again, that's entirely different, as you have nutured her since birth thinking she was yours. That bond has been created. If you met someone who had kids, you'd have to build that, and that would be much harder, sometimes impossible. That's my point.

[Old Hack]

Man as the sole provider, woman staying home with the kids. Nothing offensive about it in itself, but the sheer numbers make it a reality of sexism for those dads that are more involved (those taking extended leave, working flexibly to spend time with kids during the week, etc) and those women who aren't ending their career following childbirth.

So you have issues with every aspect?

[MyUserName]

The 3 main systems we played last year were Pathfinder, Vampire the Masquerade & Dark Hearsay, but we do have copies of Deadlands, D&D, Gurps, Tales of the Floating Vagabond, D20 Modern, Castle Falkensiten, Judge Dread, Traveller, Kobolds ate my baby, toon, warhammer, 5 Rings, Cthulhu, Mage, Slaine, Imnominae, Shadowrun & a few others I can’t remember just now.

We still play games regularly of all types

I used to play Live Action Vampire and also Lorien Trust - have not been since we had kids. I also play Live Action Cthulhu which is awesome - have not played since we had kids!

Tales of the Floating Vagabond!! That was the game system they wanted to use for the stag night but I binned the rules as I thought they actually wanted the look and feel of it and not the system. It looks seriously hillarious!

Thinking about it the most recent game system I ran was Tunnels and Trolls, which is a laugh. I do not know whether you know the system Dandanon? Maybe BGG has heard of it? It is not very well known but has a small loyal following, one of the guys at my re-enactment group is one of the authors of it. Apparently it was basically a joke system designed to simulate everything mathematically and then some people started playing it for real.

[Doggy Styles]

I feel sorry for your wife then if you can only love your own blood

I don't believe OH said that.

He seems to be saying that he loves his own kids, with his DNA, more than he loves anyone else. Not that he doesn't love anyone else.

I don't know the ins and outs of that argument, but the animal kingdom does seem to be an instinctive slant in that direction. Just look at polar bears as a case in extremis.

[Lockhouse]

Well, we can agree to disagree

I disagree with you as well.

[formant]

So you have issues with every aspect?

I what?

I don't think you read that right. Your question makes zero sense.

[Old Hack]

I disagree with you as well.

And again, that's cool. But you'll never know Lockhouse.

[MyUserName]

Again, that's entirely different, as you have nutured her since birth thinking she was yours. That bond has been created. If you met someone who had kids, you'd have to build that, and that would be much harder, sometimes impossible. That's my point.

Okay, so it is not actually a blood relationship which is the deciding factor - I guess I misunderstood you there.

Would it be very different if you raised and nutured a child from birth knowing they were not a blood relative but wanting to be their father anyway?