ICT Visa route news in parliament today

[DodgyAgent]

Umm, I guess Euro's a typo, but no, it bears no relevance to remaining in the EU; the question bears relevance to d000hg's perfectly sensible question that if Britain leaves the EU, 'what next?' and to the UKIP policy of negotiating a free trade deal with the EU.

I meant the EU. It still bears no relevance to the question of what will happen if Britain leaves the EU. It is nothing to do with "exclusive benefits" that britain brings it is to do with an aggregation of all benefits and disadvantages of Britain being out of the Eu

[escapeUK]

I find UKIP rather positive. Saving what's left of our national democracy is worth a vote IMO.

If voting actually made a difference the people in charge would ban it.

[swamp]

If voting actually made a difference the people in charge would ban it.

Well all those UKIP votes have put the EU exit on the agenda.

[escapeUK]

Well all those UKIP votes have put the EU exit on the agenda.

They are pretending its on the agenda, much like Cameron pretended he would cut immigration. Has he done so? Nope.

[d000hg]

You preaching again?

No.

HTH.

:nazi:

[Mich the Tester]

I meant the EU. It still bears no relevance to the question of what will happen if Britain leaves the EU. It is nothing to do with "exclusive benefits" that britain brings it is to do with an aggregation of all benefits and disadvantages of Britain being out of the Eu

Nope, you still don't get it. I think and you think that Britain is a valuable trading partner for the EU and should in the case of exiting be given a free trade agreement and I would argue, just as UKIP, that that agreement should be similar to that which Switzerland (and Norway incidentally) enjoys. But you'll have to convince arrogant Frogs, very conservative Germans, corrupt Italian and Spanish politicians to join in this eminently sensible arrangement. The Frogs still think the French language matters beyond a few porno films, the Italians and the Spanish still think their military powers are worth more than a fart in a hurricane, and the Germans think they're God's gift to Europe, so as they see it there won't be advantages to doing a deal on free trade with Britain. They're wrong, but that's not the point; they'll have to be convinced.

There is one point though; the Germans and the Dutch want the Brits in the EU OR some other European agreement because otherwise they're surrounded by idiots and feel rather uncomfortable. So there; I've answered my own question of what Britain brings to the table; (sometimes, as long as labour aren't in power) sensible chums for the Dutch and the Germans, and that's why those guys will posture on TV, but behind the scenes they'll do all they can to persuade the Brits to stay in. Trouble is, if UKIP are in power with Nigel 'I get a hard on from insulting people' Farage, the Germans and the Dutch will conclude that the Brits are idiots too, and you can forget the cushy free trade deals.

[swamp]

It's not going to happen anyway. Labour will probably win the next election, even if the Conservatives join forces with UKIP. And Labour won't hold a referendum on leaving the EU.

[mos]

They are pretending its on the agenda, much like Cameron pretended he would cut immigration. Has he done so? Nope.

WHS x 2

[mos]

It's not going to happen anyway. Labour will probably win the next election, even if the Conservatives join forces with UKIP. And Labour won't hold a referendum on leaving the EU.

Sadly neither they will hold a referendum on the ICT Visas.

[DodgyAgent]

Nope, you still don't get it. I think and you think that Britain is a valuable trading partner for the EU and should in the case of exiting be given a free trade agreement and I would argue, just as UKIP, that that agreement should be similar to that which Switzerland (and Norway incidentally) enjoys. But you'll have to convince arrogant Frogs, very conservative Germans, corrupt Italian and Spanish politicians to join in this eminently sensible arrangement. The Frogs still think the French language matters beyond a few porno films, the Italians and the Spanish still think their military powers are worth more than a fart in a hurricane, and the Germans think they're God's gift to Europe, so as they see it there won't be advantages to doing a deal on free trade with Britain. They're wrong, but that's not the point; they'll have to be convinced.

There is one point though; the Germans and the Dutch want the Brits in the EU OR some other European agreement because otherwise they're surrounded by idiots and feel rather uncomfortable. So there; I've answered my own question of what Britain brings to the table; (sometimes, as long as labour aren't in power) sensible chums for the Dutch and the Germans, and that's why those guys will posture on TV, but behind the scenes they'll do all they can to persuade the Brits to stay in. Trouble is, if UKIP are in power with Nigel 'I get a hard on from insulting people' Farage, the Germans and the Dutch will conclude that the Brits are idiots too, and you can forget the cushy free trade deals.

Oh dear, this is not a Parish council sulking competition. the practical realities are that the UK is the second largest economy within the EU and has extensive links to commonwealth countries and shares the same language as the worlds largest economy. The UK also has closer ties to North America than any EU country. None of this is exclusive. France has connections too with the Commonwealth and the USa so none of this is "exclusive".
If Britain leaves the EU it will not be simply a matter of "punishing" the UK because a great many businesses are inter relient on each other so although they EU may for instance wish to impose trade barriers on the UK they will do so at the expense of cutting off their own noses and breaching WTO rules.
The UK will lose what (little) influence it has with Europe to no doubt considerable detriment to itself but the benefits will also be considerable in that we will not be pumping vast amounts of money into EU gravy trains or submitting our laws to the unelected bureaucrats within the European courts.
There are so many factors at play here and to say it is a matter of finding "exclusive" reasons for Britain to remain/leave the EU is frankly ridiculous.