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Could have a black James Bond next....
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that is indeed true. However I wonder if its just as well to leave it as a white actor it being part of British culture, just as in Othello we really need to have an Ethnic lead.Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostIsn't the point of Bond that he comes across as an 'old fashioned British gentleman', rather suave, good with the laydees partly by looking good and dressing well, has a dry humour, is well spoken and a certain independence of mind? There are black men who have those qualities and there are others who don't. I'd find a Chav bond a problem, but I'm really not bothered by a Bond being black; perhaps believable is that it's a black guy from some ancient aristocratic family in a former British colony in Africa, where, incidentally, you'll probably find more 'gentlemen' than in Britain these days.Comment
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Well I think if the ethnic background of the character is defined and relevant to the plot, as in Othello, there's a case for picking an actor of that ethnic background. But with Bond, all we really know about the character is that it's an MI6 agent; such an agent these days may just as well be black as white or any other ethnicity. I don't think MI6 have a policy of only employing white men as agents. I certainly hope not, because it would severely restrict their ability to infiltrate.Originally posted by vetran View Postthat is indeed true. However I wonder if its just as well to leave it as a white actor it being part of British culture, just as in Othello we really need to have an Ethnic lead.
Don't get me wrong; I don't support the idea of a black Bond just because 'it's time for a black Bond' or some silly tokenism; I just don't see the problem with a character who's basically supposed to be an employee of MI6, or if the plot makes it believable. Who would MI6 send to infiltrate dodgy mineral and arms traders and dangerous governments in southern Africa, or drug cartels in Jamaica? I could imagine they'd send a black agent.Last edited by Mich the Tester; 26 October 2012, 10:18.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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They'd send James Bond in a white dinner jacket.Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostWell I think if the ethnic background of the character is defined and relevant to the plot, as in Othello, there's a case for picking an actor of that ethnic background. But with Bond, all we really know about the character is that it's an MI6 agent; such an agent these days may just as well be black as white or any other ethnicity. I don't think MI6 have a policy of only employing white men as agents. I certainly hope not, because it would severely restrict their ability to infiltrate.
Don't get me wrong; I don't support the idea of a black Bond just because 'it's time for a black Bond' or some silly tokenism; I just don't see the problem with a character who's basically supposed to be an employee of MI6, or if the plot makes it believable. Who would MI6 send to infiltrate dodgy mineral and arms traders and dangerous governments in southern Africa, or drug cartels in Jamaica? I could imagine they'd send a black agent.The material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.
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But why feck about with it? Bond is what it is.Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostIsn't the point of Bond that he comes across as an 'old fashioned British gentleman', rather suave, good with the laydees partly by looking good and dressing well, has a dry humour, is well spoken and a certain independence of mind? There are black men who have those qualities and there are others who don't. I'd find a Chav bond a problem, but I'm really not bothered by a Bond being black; perhaps believable is that it's a black guy from some ancient aristocratic family in a former British colony in Africa, where, incidentally, you'll probably find more 'gentlemen' than in Britain these days.
I don't understand the urge to change it for some inclusivity or even politically correct reason.Comment
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What about John Wayne as Ghengis Khan?Originally posted by vetran View PostI just have an Image of a remake of Roots with an all white middle class class.
Jeremy Irons as Chicken George
Russel Brand as young chicken george etc.
ok challenge which ethnic drama's could be made with opposing races as stars and which stars?
Upstairs Downstairs goes street with Wesley Snipes as the Butler , Forrest Whittaker as the Lord, and Queen Latifah as the lady?
Imagine what that would be like!
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I don't think the casting would be due to inclusivity or PC. My concern is that the franchise is going to get increasingly chavved up to generate more product placement revenue. This to me is far more damaging than the colour of the guy's skin.Originally posted by Doggy Styles View PostBut why feck about with it? Bond is what it is.
I don't understand the urge to change it for some inclusivity or even politically correct reason.
As soon as he starts wearing Burberry I'm out.Comment
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+1Originally posted by Pondlife View PostI don't think the casting would be due to inclusivity or PC. My concern is that the franchise is going to get increasingly chavved up to generate more product placement revenue. This to me is far more damaging than the colour of the guy's skin.
As soon as he starts wearing Burberry I'm out.Comment
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It shouldn't be changed for those reasons, but I don't have a problem with a Bond actor that fits the plot. So if the plot is 'go and infiltrate a nasty Southern African regime that is controlling the world's coltan supplies and has got its hands on uranium and has built an atom bomb and has some nasty pan-African extremist agenda to take over the world', then I find it perfectly feasible that a black agent would be sent. Of course, a public school educated, Queen's English speaking black agent with a dinner jacket and an Aston Martin (of questionable use in the rainforests), but if the right actor's black I don't care. In fact, I'm pretty sure MI6 will have black agents in Rwanda, Burundi, Angola and DR Congo right now. At least I bloody well hope they do because if it kicks off again down there then many tech companies could come to an abrupt end.Originally posted by Doggy Styles View PostBut why feck about with it? Bond is what it is.
I don't understand the urge to change it for some inclusivity or even politically correct reason.Last edited by Mich the Tester; 26 October 2012, 10:57.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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