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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostYou go to heaven because you ask Jesus to get you there. You go to hell because you don't. A matter of choice.
What happens to those who've never heard of Jesus is subject to debate. There's nothing really definitive in the bible that addresses this issue. However, if you have heard the gospel, you certainly are without excuse.
If you haven't heard of the Christian faith, then there's no data on requiring a choice.
This sort of paradigm reminds me of a human-state-political construct, which I find a little unsettling.
Not being confrontational, just curious as to why these two states exists.If you think my attitude stinks, you should smell my fingers.Comment
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Originally posted by hyperD View PostYou see NaT, this is what I find strange. If someone shows you the Christian faith then accordingly, once observed, you are then forced to make a decision, the outcome of which determines the direction of travel.
If you haven't heard of the Christian faith, then there's no data on requiring a choice.
Terry Pratchett suggests that those who've never heard, get the result of their belief, which is why it's important to shoot missionaries on sight.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by Cliphead View PostWe keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.
Christopher Hitchens.
Originally posted by Cliphead View PostWhat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.- Where is the evidence for that assertion?
- Christians would claim there is a lot of evidence for the assertions being made... read The Case for Christ or the stuff covered in Alpha and while you might not agree with the evidence or find it compelling, it's ludicrous to say there is no evidence to judge.
Originally posted by mudskipper View PostWhich person is 'better'?
The person who goes through life being good and nice to get a ticket to heaven
The person who goes through life being good and nice for no expected reward
Originally posted by mudskipper View PostIt seems odd to me that God would turn away a good person who didn't believe in Jesus.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by hyperD View PostYou see NaT, this is what I find strange. If someone shows you the Christian faith then accordingly, once observed, you are then forced to make a decision, the outcome of which determines the direction of travel.
If you haven't heard of the Christian faith, then there's no data on requiring a choice.
I heard an argument once that said if we had a definite answer that those who haven't heard or are unable to understand the Gospel would be saved, we'd have seen historical waves of infanticide and genocide as well-meaning Christians made the logical leap it would be best to kill people before they had a chance to screw it up. That might at first sight seem a rather facetious argument but looking back at history, I'm not so sure!Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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My tuppence worth on religion: the most grounded people I know are those people whom I've been friends with for years, yet I have no idea what their religious beliefs (or lack thereof) may be. Whatever people do or don't believe isn't the issue. Whether they're content enough in themselves to believe whatever they do and not foist their views on the subject onto everyone around them seems to be the thing that keeps them grounded. They treat whatever they happen to believe as being as pointless to argue about as the law of gravity: it is what it is, whatever anyone else's views on the subject may be.Comment
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Originally posted by d000hg View Post...As a Christian though you have to figure that God knows what He's doing and is a fair judge.
Since Dawkins wrote the God Delusion, I've noticed a decrease in the ability of atheists to put together a coherent argument. They prefer to quote from their holy books, than actually engage rationally.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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No, God can only be fair - which is why he can't look the other way and let people in. Grace is not deserved, but it isn't unfair either.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostSince Dawkins wrote the God Delusion, I've noticed a decrease in the ability of atheists to put together a coherent argument. They prefer to quote from their holy books, than actually engage rationally.While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'Comment
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