Why agent ask about rates

[vetran]

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If you can make a "special effort" I think we can land this one.
I am making a special effort.
Can you move a bit on the rate?
No. Well yes, if you want to pay a little more I would accep it. But I won't do it for less.

How do they react if you suggest a shorter payment cycle and they lower their margin as a 'special effort'?

[d000hg]

Do you have kids doogie ?

That's a bit of a curveball question. Why?

I've had 2 instances in the last 12 months where the end client has asked to see evidence of the rate I said I was currently on before they would offer, this wasnt the agent this was the end client. Seems places are starting to tighten up a bit.

That's pretty outrageous. Did they use this info for anything, or simply demand to see it?

[EternalOptimist]

That's a bit of a curveball question. Why?

Did you ever tell them about the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, father Christmas, babies come from under a bush or that grandad has gone on a long holiday and he wont be coming back ?

[Old Hack]

That's a bit of a curveball question. Why?

That's pretty outrageous. Did they use this info for anything, or simply demand to see it?

So, everyone apart from you is not telling the truth about rates.

Yet I am the insecure one...

Well, there you go d000hg

[ELBBUBKUNPS]

That's a bit of a curveball question. Why?

That's pretty outrageous. Did they use this info for anything, or simply demand to see it?

Just said they won't offer unless they see evidence of current rate so I sent them a copy of my invoice which I thought odd as I could make one up. I was supprised to, but I suppose some clients have been bitten in terms of getting contractors in with the gift of the gab in interviews, bigging up there current 'fake' rate to give them more cred, only for the client to get them on site and find them to be a pile of poo.

[OwlHoot]

I've had 2 instances in the last 12 months where the end client has asked to see evidence of the rate I said I was currently on before they would offer, this wasn't the agent requesting this it was the end client !

You'd be quite within your rights, and not legally or morally in the wrong whatsoever, IMHO, to show them a fake contract or invoice with the larger rate you had told them.

That is absolutely what I would do in the circs, assuming I still wanted to pursue the contract, which I probably wouldn't.

You're not obliged to be honest about information which someone isn't entitled to know.

[d000hg]

So, everyone apart from you is not telling the truth about rates.

Yet I am the insecure one...

Well, there you go d000hg

People who need to lie are insecure. Most people lie. I really don't see any paradox here.

You clearly feel intimidated by the agent/salesman and not able to stand up to him and stick your ground. So you invent lies to avoid confrontation.


EO: oh I see. Are you saying that fiction and lies are the same thing?

[EternalOptimist]

EO: oh I see. Are you saying that fiction and lies are the same thing?

No I am saying that you think it's ok to lie to your kids but not to an agent

[Old Hack]

People who need to lie are insecure. Most people lie. I really don't see any paradox here.

You clearly feel intimidated by the agent/salesman and not able to stand up to him and stick your ground. So you invent lies to avoid confrontation.


EO: oh I see. Are you saying that fiction and lies are the same thing?

No, he's saying if you're ok lying to your kids that santa claus exists, it is still lying, regardless ihow you dress it up.

Never once been intimidated by anyone, aside from Ron Dennis as it happens. If you see negotiation as simply saying this is the price and standing your ground, then you are obviously tremendously bad at it and very naive. Looking at the other contributions you make, you simply make all this very obvious.

I once got a software company to give my project it's gear for free, as I told them the other leading candidate was going to. Saved the project £80k. Love to have seen what you would have done...

[d000hg]

No I am saying that you think it's ok to lie to your kids but not to an agent

If you read your 4yo a story about Harry Potter or Jack and the Beanstalk they'll think it's real.

But as it happens I don't have kids and if I did I probably wouldn't tell them about Santa except as another bedtime story. I think you're only playing devil's advocate though because you come across as a fairly honest person who knows the difference between lying and makebelieve.