Assange nonsense

[BobTheCrate]

... instead they [UK Gov't] chose to announce that they could do it if they wished and so forced Ecuador to grant him asylum. this way they can say to the US and Sweden "well we tried" without officially supporting the asylum.

This is exactly what's happening IMO as well Chef. I'm sure the US Gov't will see through it, but at least the UK hasn't 'publically' stuck two fingers up at them.

[louie]

I think most people have not quite got the point..

Assange has stated publicly that he would happily go face his accusers in Sweden if he was guaranteed that he wouldn't be extradited to the US, it was Sweden who refused to give this assurance and also Sweden who refused to interview him in the Ecudorian embassy (he hasn't been charged with anything yet).

The UK if they really wished to get Assange could simply end diplomatic relations with Ecuador and therefore expell the embassy, very different from implementing an old law going against internationally agreed diplomacy rules of entering a foreign embassy uninvited. instead they chose to announce that they could do it if they wished and so forced Ecuador to grant him asylum. this way they can say to the US and Sweden "well we tried" without officially supporting the asylum.

So many on the BBC comments are going on about if he raped ur daughter what would u think. He hasn't actually be charged with rape, he is wanted for questioning which in my book falls in the innocent until proven guilty category and as stated above he would attend the questioning if it wasn't that he believed that it is simply a ploy to extradite him to the US to face far more serious charges of terrorism which depending on which state he is extradited to could at worse case see him face the death penalty.

Clueless.

[darmstadt]

I think most people have not quite got the point..

Assange has stated publicly that he would happily go face his accusers in Sweden if he was guaranteed that he wouldn't be extradited to the US, it was Sweden who refused to give this assurance and also Sweden who refused to interview him in the Ecudorian embassy (he hasn't been charged with anything yet).

The UK if they really wished to get Assange could simply end diplomatic relations with Ecuador and therefore expell the embassy, very different from implementing an old law going against internationally agreed diplomacy rules of entering a foreign embassy uninvited. instead they chose to announce that they could do it if they wished and so forced Ecuador to grant him asylum. this way they can say to the US and Sweden "well we tried" without officially supporting the asylum.

So many on the BBC comments are going on about if he raped ur daughter what would u think. He hasn't actually be charged with rape, he is wanted for questioning which in my book falls in the innocent until proven guilty category and as stated above he would attend the questioning if it wasn't that he believed that it is simply a ploy to extradite him to the US to face far more serious charges of terrorism which depending on which state he is extradited to could at worse case see him face the death penalty.

Correct. I personally think that there are political motives behind this in particular they re being driven by the USA. they have already convened a grand jury in regards to Assange so really they're just waiting for him to be handed over. Remember Bradley Manning has been held for over 800 days now without being charged and the Americans are the police of the world, do what they say or face the consequences...

[chef]

Clueless.

Me?, you? Or the British Gov.?

If it's me with that highlighted text your referring to then I invite you to read the link nick posted to earlier in which it was clearly explained by a notable legal professional that this was a clear option.

If it's the UK Gov you refer to then please enlighten me with what you think they're up to?

That only leaves you as the third option in which case I agree, you are.

[louie]

Me?, you? Or the British Gov.?

If it's me with that highlighted text your referring to then I invite you to read the link nick posted to earlier in which it was clearly explained by a notable legal professional that this was a clear option.

If it's the UK Gov you refer to then please enlighten me with what you think they're up to?

That only leaves you as the third option in which case I agree, you are.

You..

Do you think they would try to expel a whole countries embassy just to arrest one man, who is just wanted for questioning? They tried to arrest him that's all that happened no big conspiracy.
Just because it's an option doesn't mean it's wise or likely.

Sometimes I wonder about peoples reasoning skills.

[SueEllen]

You..

Do you think they would try to expel a whole countries embassy just to arrest one man, who is just wanted for questioning? They tried to arrest him that's all that happened no big conspiracy.
Just because it's an option doesn't mean it's wise or likely.

I wouldn't have believed the UK government would have invaded Iraq on made up information but they did.

Sometimes I wonder about peoples reasoning skills.

I sometimes think some of the UK population trust the government too much. Luckily for them a hell of a lot of people in this country don't.

[BolshieBastard]

I recognise to some (deluded fools) assange is some kind of hero for spewing confidential cables to all and sundry.

If he believes himself to be some self styled do gooder in the world, he should submit himself to the democratic law process and argue his innocence of the crimes brought against him.

Myself, I think he's a self seeking arrogant ****wit who sees himself above the law hence why he is trying to evade it be claiming diplomatic immunity.

Just my thoughts though.

[NotAllThere]

Think it's to do with if he gets deported to Sweden, or wherever he is charged, he will then be deported to the US to face charges slightly more serious....

More serious than rape? Or only more serious as far as the yanks are concerned.

It's a tricky one. On the one hand - it seems there's a case to answer re the rape accusation. On the other hand there's obvious politicking going on because he was one of the WikiLeakers. On the gripping hand, he's an arrogant, egotistical smeghead with delusions of adequacy and a messiah complex.*

Send him to Sweden is my vote.

* How long has he been a member here?

[centurian]

Myself, I think he's a self seeking arrogant ****wit who sees himself above the law hence why he is trying to evade it be claiming diplomatic immunity.

WHS + 1

He gives me the impression of a con-artist of the most exceptional order.

Look at how he has been able to get people to bend over backwards to help him, screws them over (in more ways than one if the Sweden allegations are correct) and yet they still thank him for it - like those now facing a bill for 10s of thousands in bail surety, not all of whom were super rich.

[louie]

WHS + 1

He gives me the impression of a con-artist of the most exceptional order.

Look at how he has been able to get people to bend over backwards to help him, screws them over (in more ways than one if the Sweden allegations are correct) and yet they still thank him for it - like those now facing a bill for 10s of thousands in bail surety, not all of whom were super rich.

He want's to bring openess and transparency into the world. The internet is going to make the happen one way or another. I think he is to be applauded.