Maybe we should take Eugenics more seriously?

[sasguru]

These are the principles of capitalism. Never confuse free markets with capitalism. There is an overlap but that is all.

Anglo Saxon capitalism perhaps. Iyt doesn't seem to be so pronounced in Scandinavian or Rhineland models.

[sasguru]

Are you saying that we should ignore the failings of the state because capitalism is not working as we would like it to?
Dont fall into the leftie trap of assuming that because I criticise the state I am lauding the private sector - I am not.

Why are you picking on the far smaller impact the failings of the public sector have caused rather the huge and gross problems caused by the private sector?
The only reason is your biased, dogmatic and ideological viewpoint.
If you were pragmatic you'd sort out the bigger problem first.

[Old Greg]

Are you saying that we should ignore the failings of the state because capitalism is not working as we would like it to?
Dont fall into the leftie trap of assuming that because I criticise the state I am lauding the private sector - I am not.

You seem to assume that socialism = statism.

[EternalOptimist]

If you were pragmatic you'd sort out the bigger problem first.

no you wouldnt. The bigger problem may be intractable

go for the low hanging fruit. thats what I say

[DodgyAgent]

You seem to assume that socialism = statism.

You are getting pedantic - it is I think an "old person" thing

[sasguru]

no you wouldnt. The bigger problem may be intractable

go for the low hanging fruit. thats what I say

If the bigger problem is not solved there won't be any fruit at all.

[Old Greg]

You are getting pedantic - it is I think an "old person" thing

Thickie

[EternalOptimist]

If the bigger problem is not solved there won't be any fruit at all.

The order in which you do things can be very important.

[DodgyAgent]

Why are you picking on the far smaller impact the failings of the public sector have caused rather the huge and gross problems caused by the private sector?
The only reason is your biased, dogmatic and ideological viewpoint.
If you were pragmatic you'd sort out the bigger problem first.

I am talking about the poorer sections of society. As far I can see on health and education the private sector is not causing any problems for the less affluent of society. The problem I am trying to discuss is that it would presumably be quite good if the poor could enjoy the same services that richer people like you, scoobos and myself enjoy?

I cannot see that sorting out the problems of capitalism will do anything to help the poor. If anything the crash of capitalism has made us think long and hard about how we are spending taxpayers money. I will add that the only way to stimulate wealth creation is to incentivise people by reducing tax and bureaucracy so it is not unreasonable to demand value for money from tax rather than look upon tax as the lefties do as a punishment.

[DodgyAgent]

If the bigger problem is not solved there won't be any fruit at all.

We can send all the lefties out to pick it - they are good at that.