Maybe we should take Eugenics more seriously?

[DodgyAgent]

Reducing tax and bureaucracy is not going to make people suddenly make cars, vacuum cleaners, ball bearings, gear systems etc.

Of course not your friend Ed Milliband is going to stand up and say "labour will create jobs" click his fingers and everyone will be building widgets.

You certainly would not wish to listen to fools like james Dyson

James Dyson: In Support of the Start-up

[DodgyAgent]

By forcing them all to move to the South East, tearing familes apart , destroying local culture, generations of history, and ruining entire towns. "Because that's where the work is" - lining the pockets of the superclass.

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Another cliche

[Scoobos]

It's not a cliche its what was said earlier in this thread.

How can that be a cliche or not warrant a real reply?

This is the problem... To see the world in shades of grey instead of Black and White means you need to at least entertain debate.

[sasguru]

So poverty is all about what people in work are doing for a job ?
If you are an IT bod earning £50K a year working in a bank in the UK and there is a German production manager at Porsche earning an equivalent amount the chances are that there will be a much greater underclass in the country of the IT worker than in the manufacturing country

I thought I was thick

You were right. The above is a failure of clear thinking on an epic scale.

[DodgyAgent]

By forcing them all to move to the South East, tearing familes apart , destroying local culture, generations of history, and ruining entire towns. "Because that's where the work is" - lining the pockets of the superclass.

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You have strung together emotive statements to illicit emotions without making any attempt to string a sentence together explaining exactly what you mean. That is a cliche

Explain what you mean by force? were they rounded up and put onto trains?
what was the local culture that was destroyed? You seem to assume that by stating the words "destroying local culture" you are making some sort of point - again to illicit an emotive reaction. Ruining entire towns? how so? were the rest of us expected to continue subsidising the mining industry to keep local working mens clubs in business?
"lining the pockets of the super rich" who were these people exactly? and if these people were indeed superich exploiters how else would these so called devastated northern people survive?

As for this sanctimonious "I work for a charity" boll**ks then may I say I take anything like this from a CUKer with a pinch of salt

[Scoobos]

rofl, I do work for a charity and it costs them zero - I help rid them of parasites who don't have the scruples to feel guilty about ripping off a not-for-profit.

DA get with the programme, why are you talking in past tense, I'm talking about what is being said in this thread.

If you say everyone has to move to where the work is, rather than regenerating and spreading the work around, assisting the recreation of our industries - then what else are you going to do other than tear families apart and destroy towns?

In our analogy earlier we were discussing Pete the printer, who at 50 should apparantly move to a £50 a week room in London to work in a coffee shop.

What about his elderly mother who is not able to follow and be left behind, and his wife, kids, friends, relatives ??

The "Loadsamoney" mentality seems to put zero value on any of this...

Seriously DA, have you even read this thread?

[DodgyAgent]

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If you say everyone has to move to where the work is, rather than regenerating and spreading the work around, assisting the recreation of our industries - then what else are you going to do other than tear families apart and destroy towns?

In our analogy earlier we were discussing Pete the printer, who at 50 should apparantly move to a £50 a week room in London to work in a coffee shop.

What about his elderly mother who is not able to follow and be left behind, and his wife, kids, friends, relatives ??

The "Loadsamoney" mentality seems to put zero value on any of this...

Seriously DA, have you even read this thread?

There is no argument here at all. Again statements rounded off with one great big cliche about loadsamoney.

What exactly are you saying? So what about Pete the printer? what are we expected to do about him? Should I as an employer open an office on his doorstep so he can work? why doesnt he start a business himself - he's got two arms two legs and a brain (and a bike presumably). Every statement you make is tinged with a sense of entitlement that people's problems are there to be sorted out by someone else. Your whole attitude is one of "what's he going to do about it?" I am beginning to understand a bit more about how the mind of a leftie works

[Scoobos]

There is no argument here at all. Again statements rounded off with one great big cliche about loadsamoney.

What exactly are you saying? So what about Pete the printer? what are we expected to do about him? Should I as an employer open an office on his doorstep so he can work? why doesnt he start a business himself - he's got two arms two legs and a brain (and a bike presumably). Every statement you make is tinged with a sense of entitlement that people's problems are there to be sorted out by someone else. Your whole attitude is one of "what's he going to do about it?" I am beginning to understand a bit more about how the mind of a leftie works

You'll understand more of how a "leftie" works if you even knew what one was.

You'd also understand if you ever felt the need for the support of the state, but you were born fine, and your health and fortune have worked in your favour - so it's the same with everyone else isn't it?

when you attack the trough swillers or whatever nasty rhetoric takes your fancy with "you profited from the system you are deriding" then perhaps you should look in the mirror.

When I was a child in the 70's /80's the world was completely different and I certainly did not profit from the system we have in place now 30 years later.

The whole reason we have a "state" is supposedly to work for it's populace - NOT the 7 million that live in London at the cost of the 53 that live elsewhere.

[sasguru]

There is no argument here at all. Again statements rounded off with one great big cliche about loadsamoney.

What exactly are you saying? So what about Pete the printer? what are we expected to do about him? Should I as an employer open an office on his doorstep so he can work? why doesnt he start a business himself - he's got two arms two legs and a brain (and a bike presumably). Every statement you make is tinged with a sense of entitlement that people's problems are there to be sorted out by someone else. Your whole attitude is one of "what's he going to do about it?" I am beginning to understand a bit more about how the mind of a leftie works

Not necessarily. Human intelligence follows a Gaussian distribution.
And hard though it is to imagine, there are, and will always be, people who are much thicker than you.
These are the people I saw in Tescos.
They will never start a business - they probably find it difficult to read or write
It is these people we have to carry somehow - and manufacturing used to employ most of them.

In this sense the lefties are more real than the righties, who rather naively say "I can, why can't they".

[AtW]

Don't feed the troll.