Maybe we should take Eugenics more seriously?

[Robinho]

Too true. But then society shouldn't be accepting this either - we should have put mechanisms in to control abuse of benefits a long time ago.. But that costs money doesnt it. money better given to prop up GDP.

It would prop up GDP, because the gov would be directly spending money (actually on something useful for a change).

[sasguru]

If the state bothered to give these people a decent education then maybe they could all start their own supermarkets. The problem is that neither you or your leftie friends would have anyone left to sneer at.

1. Some people are too thick to be educated, even basically.
2. Even clever committed people would struggle to start a supermarket.
3. I am not a leftie.

All the above suggests to me you are an imbecile.

[Scoobos]

We have had a left wing government for several years

I assume you are talking about New Labour. If so , you'd better read up on what left wing is.

[Old Greg]

In the right wing world it is believed that everyone has the ability to get themselves a job. With the right motivation they will create businesses along the way. We have had a left wing government for several years who's strategy it has been to grow the state when what they should have been doing is support such entrepreneurial behaviour. The reason why there is so little entrepreneurial activity is because we have been taxed and regulated according to the govt strategy and instead of educating and training our young they have instead spent money on paying people to remain on welfare.

I am not sure how you people on the left think about job creation but left wing government strategies of borrowing money to employ people to work on highly protected public sector jobs is not the way

My view of left wingers is that they are self serving people who like to think that they are caring individuals. The truth is that they are only interested in wearing the badge and that their real agenda is that everyone else should be looking after number one

There is an important distinction though between anyone and everyone. If you mean 'anyone' then we could have a discussion about whether you really mean that and you would I expect draw a line at certain levels of disability. If you mean everyone as in everyone at the same time if only they all put the effort into it, then you ignore economics, e.g. economic cycles that lead to credit expansions and contractions and therefore production and employment expansions and contractions. You are crazy if you think that right now, if everyone pulled their fingers out, they would all find jobs or start businesses to produce incomes.

[Scoobos]

It would prop up GDP, because the gov would be directly spending money (actually on something useful for a change).

Nice retort!

You should teach DA how to debate, he might learn he doesn't have to resort to nasty rhetoric, but swing the debate with logic instead.

DA- " but left wing government strategies of borrowing money to employ people to work on highly protected public sector jobs is not the way"

And the Tory way of borrowing money to prop up false markets is? The figures would suggest otherwise. Spending has gone UP under this coalition and so have revenues, which disguise just how much EXTRA they are spending - and all I recall seeing is an increase in Corruption in the news.

[Old Greg]

1. Some people are too thick to be educated, even basically.
2. Even clever committed people would struggle to start a supermarket.
3. I am not a leftie.

All the above suggests to me you are an imbecile.

Yes, this deifintion of leftie is very odd. I suspect I may be the only leftie round here. But as you say, he is thick.

[DodgyAgent]

3. I am not a leftie.

All the above suggests to me you are an imbecile.

You smell like one

[Robinho]

But it gives right wingers (who have a mindset that looks primarily at the individual) a fig lead argument to say that if person A did actions B and C they would better their lot, while ignoring that this is not a solution to the problem of unemployment as a whole (which is where the left mindset primarily is focused).

The solution to the unemployment is to eliminate the minimum wage, most of the unemployment benefits and stupid employment regulations.

There's no reason why you can't achieve 100% with these measures.

(Fiscally) "Right wing" isn't a wing at all. It's centrist, it's common sense, it's natural law. What is natural cannot be a wing.

[DodgyAgent]

. You are crazy if you think that right now, if everyone pulled their fingers out, they would all find jobs or start businesses to produce incomes.

What would you do if you had no money and no welfare?

[Old Greg]

You smell like one

No, you're just smelling the tulip that pours out of your mouth.