How to get into IT

[BlasterBates]

In the UK the maximum fee is £3500 for a year, so for a three year degree it would be about 10 grand. Of course you have to pay maintenance as well.

[nomadd]

In the UK the maximum fee is £3500 for a year, so for a three year degree it would be about 10 grand. Of course you have to pay maintenance as well.

2012 Living costs - University of Oxford

So that's now 10k per year, or 30k over 3 years. Minimum.

Allow for inflation and other incidental costs (books, transport, yada, yada) and it's easy to see were the current averages of £30-40k come from (unless someone else is picking up the bill for you... )

[BlasterBates]

2012 Living costs - University of Oxford

So that's now 10k per year, or 30k over 3 years. Minimum.

Allow for inflation and other incidental costs (books, transport, yada, yada) and it's easy to see were the current averages of £30-40k come from (unless someone else is picking up the bill for you... )

You can do it cheaper, you don't have to go to Oxford, 3500 for fees is the maximum. Halls of residence are not a cheap option. You can usually find a Uni near home and you can do a degree part time.

Yeah sure it would be nice if Governments could pay for everyone to go to Uni, hand out generous pensions after the age 55 and we could all enjoy watching pigs fly round the circus ring, bit it isn't realistic.

[nomadd]

Yeah sure it would be nice if Governments could pay for everyone to go to Uni, hand out generous pensions after the age 55 and we could all enjoy watching pigs fly round the circus ring, bit it isn't realistic.

Wasn't suggesting they should. Read the thread.

[DieScum]

My sister did a HR degree, took 4 years (1 year on the job) and cost her around 40k IN COURSE FEES ALONE.. She's working for a supermarket for 26k a year right now, her living costs are around 12k... Worth it?


And people criticise economic models other than all out capitalism, because they don't incentivise or reward working in specialist areas for the good of the populace...

Scoobos - This stuff was never free. The cost was just spread through taxation so even those who didn't go to uni paid for it. Now more of the cost has been shifted to those who benefit through low cost loans which can be deferred until a reasonable wage is earned.

You sister's course would have cost more than 40k to deliver. It's obviously eye watering to pay that but ... well someone has to and nobody is forced in to education.

[NotAllThere]

Learn German, apply for a Swiss university. Fees ~£1000 a year. ( But as I've sold some software to my son's university, his fees are covered till he's finished his masters).

[Ignis Fatuus]

Oh, I see. Essentially she is spoiled by her parents, so doesn't need to pay the bills other students have to pay. The debt figures I quoted were for the average UK student these days, not the ones fully supported by mummy and daddy. (I had to pay my own way through Uni., BTW, and that meant 5 years of hard work beforehand and then going to Uni. later in life as a mature student - once I could afford it.)



Your disingenuous "and I'm sure that many do" should read "and I'm sure that many have to" Big difference.

Please tell me where this "respected institute that I read about in the papers" is located and how the pittance of a PHD stipend is going to cover her rent, gas, electric, transport costs, books, food, travel and ancillary expenses. I think every other student in the UK would love to know about this miracle location.



Oh, I see. So every other student in the UK who can't rely on being spoiled senseless by mummy and daddy is somehow a money-wasting layabout? Maybe you could present that fact at a few Student Union meetings across the UK. I'd be interested in the responses you get.



I must have missed the bit where you said she was getting a few part-time jobs in the evenings and weekends to pay her own way in the world?
Oh, silly me, I forgot - she doesn't need to...



Don't we all.

I wish I'd had rich I.T. Contractor parents when I was younger so I could have just lived the debt-free dream of being a Student/Researcher all my days. Unfortunately the real world isn't like that for the vast majority of us.

I don't think I need this tulip, thanks.

[nomadd]

I don't think I need this tulip, thanks.

On the contrary, I think you do.

Stop being so myopic and selfish was the message, just in case you missed it.

Thanks.

[Scoobos]

In the UK the maximum fee is £3500 for a year, so for a three year degree it would be about 10 grand. Of course you have to pay maintenance as well.

Totally misguided...

The fee was raised to 10k as a extreme and now nearly every uni is charging the maximum (88% to be precise, according to news reports in late 2011)

There's no way it cost 30k to deliver a HR course either, with over 60 grads you're saying its costing 1.8 mil for a lecturer to stand in front of a class for 24 hours a week contact time - all books and materials are bought by the students. So 2592 hours of a lecturer and the support to go with it, costing 695 pounds per student per contact hour for delivery of a powerpoint presentation and some one on one support for maybe 10 minutes a week.. Gimme a break.

Ok perhaps dodgy maths, but you know what I'm driving at, its totally disproportionate.

The arguement has been that Universities have to compete on a world scale, attracting foreign students - most of the money is spent on stupid prime time TV ads in countries like China and India.

Thats complete rubbish IMO - Universities are for the populace of the UK and that's it... If we hadnt changed all polys to unis and made them compete on equal ground that would have helped too.

[DieScum]

Scoobos - Foreign students pay massively higher fees. That is why universities compete to recruit them. This lowers costs for UK students.