What's a feminist?

[mudskipper]

I disagree to the extent that there are far bigger inequalities that need to be addressed. It seems mad to accept a massive different in opportunity and outcome for those born rich or poor which is to some extent a man made situation, while fighting tooth and nail to address similar differences which are to some extent grounded in biological differences* we can't do anything about.

*I don't mean a fanny makes you less able, I mean that from an evolutionary / economic / game theoretic perspective the difference in roles between men and women has been greatly advantageous for the species as a whole and for the individuals concerned. It's only recently that total equality has been recognised as "a good thing" and it's quite possible that it's only recently that it's become "a good thing".

I would also disagree on the grounds that the devil is in the details, and some (such as I) would argue that the feminist agenda (among other factors) has resulted in social and economic changes to the extent that an average family now needs two wage earners to make ends meet and the system is geared up for women to turn their children over to childcare and return to work ASAP. There is very little support or choice for women who want to do otherwise unless they are from a relatively wealthy household. So although this might have given the feminists what they want they have played into the hands of those whose primary objective is to ensure a ready supply of cheap worker bees and there are an awful lot of men, women and children who have lost out. To what extent you can blame the state of the nation on the resulting change in the way children are raised is debatable, but personally I think there is a case to answer and the feminists have put the cart before the horse, as any "single issue" group is wont to do.

There is a fundamental problem that a stay at home mum (or dad, but usually mum) is not financially independent, and therefore not 'equal' (and is why child benefit is important). Which is fine if you're in a solid, well-balanced relationship, but not so fine when you're not, and becomes a total mess when that relationship finishes (see the many 'she's fleecing me' threads on this and other sites). Dunno what the answer is though.

[Diver]

I guess that 6 fingered welshness of yours has affected the brain. The fool confused a line, with a maze....

Seems like its done you too.

Shouldn't be surpised given how you troggs like to share your familial love around

[SupremeSpod]

fem·i·nism/ˈfeməˌnizəm/

Noun:
The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.


Some posters here seem to have a problem with feminists.

A feminist is someone (male or female) who believes that women are equal to men - and should have equal rights/opportunities and not be discriminated against because of gender.

The history of why we have 'feminist' rather than 'masculinist' as a common concept is that women haven't always been considered / treated as equal.

So if you're not a feminist, what are you?

A bitch with an attitude problem and too much time on your hands.

Simples.

[Zoiderman]

I blame the mixed air

[NotAllThere]

There is a fundamental problem that a stay at home mum (or dad, but usually mum) is not financially independent, and therefore not 'equal' (and is why child benefit is important). Which is fine if you're in a solid, well-balanced relationship, but not so fine when you're not, and becomes a total mess when that relationship finishes (see the many 'she's fleecing me' threads on this and other sites). Dunno what the answer is though.

So your definition of inequality is one person being dependent on another? I'm not sure that's right.

[Zoiderman]

So your definition of inequality is one person being dependent on another? I'm not sure that's right.

We're not all perfect; you're defintion of a mathematical maze is a straight line

[northernladuk]

Some posters here seem to have a problem with feminists.

I don't have a problem with feminists in general. It is when they go too far and try make a level playing field when it isn't and will never be level. As pointed out very well by other posters there will always be a difference in some areas both positive and negative for both sides so to try and ride rough shod over the lot is just wrong... Am not a racist either but have a problem with people who lose site of the bigger picture and attribute everything to a racist issue when again it clearly isn't. I think it is just the few menances that spoil it for the rest. Same could be applied to absolutely every group I guess.

[Diver]

So she wasn't a mans equal then?

She being the operative word here, not they. No doubt there are women out there who could outwork the best of us in a physically difficult task.

There is no equality amongst men and women. each to their own and it is a proven fact the women are far better at some tasks than men, just as men are better at others.

As an example, NotAllThere has proven that she is far better at debate, cutting wit and controlled sarcasm than you are

[MarillionFan]

K2P2. I think you need a new avatar.



Now put the kettle on, there's a dear.

[EternalOptimist]

Should women have the vote ?, of course they should but
I know that 150 years ago I would have been saying the opposite
250 years ago I would have opposed giving the vote to youse plebs on here.


If women are equal to men does that mean they will be competing in the same events this summer ?
They might get a gold in the curling and the beach volleyball but thats about it.

As far as workplace discrimination is concerned, employ the right person for the job, pay them the going rate, dont make any allowances for gender