Third speeding ticket in six months!!

[VectraMan]

So why would you automatically assume the GPS was right rather than your Speedo? Or is it a case of you picking the device that was showing you the speed you wanted?

Like the people who quote speed camera statistics, I pick the numbers I want to hear.

[pjclarke]

Like the people who quote speed camera statistics, I pick the numbers I want to hear

So, find some stats that demonstrate safety cameras do not save lives......

[VectraMan]

So, find some stats that demonstrate safety cameras do not save lives......

Here you go:
File:Killed on British Roads.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The number of deaths on the road fell pretty consistently from 1965. Introducing fixed speed cameras in 1992 doesn't appear to have made any difference to the trend; in fact the steepest decline is from 1990-1992 before the speed cameras were introduced, and in the noughties in the early years of the national safety camera scheme when the number of cameras increased, things seem to remain pretty constant.

[EternalOptimist]

So, find some stats that demonstrate safety cameras do not save lives......

Yikes. Garden gnomes might be better than cameras

[Paddy]

So, find some stats that demonstrate safety cameras do not save lives......

On the BBC website, I took a look at the camera that cost me £350 for doing 31mph. It is on a fenced off duel carriageway. There was on death five year previous involving pedestrian and a motorcycle. The pedestrian had not used the underpass and hopped over the railings. However, the forward facing camera is sited on the other carriageway that has had no accidents.

Looking at the surrounding area, the vast majority of accidents were motorcyclists with no other people involved. Most of the nearby cameras are forward facing and they can not be used to catch motor cyclists.

I could not find one camera site that had multiple accidents nearby but there are many black spots without cameras.

[EternalOptimist]

On the BBC website, I took a look at the camera that cost me £350 for doing 31mph. It is on a fenced off duel carriageway. There was on death five year previous involving pedestrian and a motorcycle. The pedestrian had not used the underpass and hopped over the railings. However, the forward facing camera is sited on the other carriageway that has had no accidents.

Looking at the surrounding area, the vast majority of accidents were motorcyclists with no other people involved. Most of the nearby cameras are forward facing and they can not be used to catch motor cyclists.

I could not find one camera site that had multiple accidents nearby but there are many black spots without cameras.

my garden gnome comment ^^^ is about blackspots.
The argument is that there will always be blackspots and that many of these will be statistical flukes rather than true danger spots. These will eventually regress back to the mean, so even a garden gnome would reduce accidents there, eventually. and it would be cheaper and prettier than a camera

[Scoobos]

Well I'm just a goody two shoes.

I will NEVER speed in a 30 or 40 zone, its built up and residential! Why people think its ok is beyond me.

I'll speed on the motorway though, sensibly with the flow of traffic.

[Paddy]

my garden gnome comment ^^^ is about blackspots.
The argument is that there will always be blackspots and that many of these will be statistical flukes rather than true danger spots. These will eventually regress back to the mean, so even a garden gnome would reduce accidents there, eventually. and it would be cheaper and prettier than a camera

There are real black spots and they are usually created by the local authority such as right hand turns on 70mph dual carriageways.

[Paddy]

The Tele-Traffic boss, Jon Bond, who was until a few months ago the police Chief Superintendent in charge of speed cameras in Warwickshire, urged our reporter to place an order and promised: 'There will be so much money coming in you won't know what to do with it.'

He and his colleagues revealed how:

So many motorists are being snared that courts are struggling to process the sheer volume of cheques sent to pay fines.

Tele-Traffic is run by former traffic police who offer to introduce customers to currently serving officers willing to give advice on the products

Undercover probe reveals the 'buckets of money' made from speed cameras | Mail Online

[VectraMan]

There are real black spots and they are usually created by the local authority such as right hand turns on 70mph dual carriageways.

There are a pair of local speed-cameras I wholeheartedly approve of. They're on the A43 dual carrigeway near Silverstone, where there's a dip, and in the dip is a pub and hotel, plus a lane leading off in the other direction to a village. This means traffic often has to turn right across the dual carrigeway, and the dip means the neither the people turning nor the people on the dual carrigeway have a good view. There are speed cameras in both directions are perfectly positioned to slow people down so they can see what's going on, and TBH it's scary enough with the traffic doing 70mph.

But what sets these apart from 99% of speed cameras is that there are big "speed camera" signs in each direction giving pleanty of warning. 10/10 for Northants police in this instance for putting improving safety above revenue generation, or worse, trying to turn ordinary law abiding people into criminials to try to acheive some kind of political motive.

Sadly, I think Northants are one of the worst in other areas, but still. Credit where it's due.

Of course, a bridge would be a far beter, and safer solution.