Make Bratwurst British

[d000hg]

Obviously you guys have never been abroad.

There are numerous places where there are signs telling people not to trust Englishmen and thanks to yobbish Brits, you can overhear the majority of foreigners say such things as "I wish those ***** Brits would go home".

Brits is used as a slur more than you know.

So what? Black people use 'N*****' as a non-derogatory word... the fact in other cultures 'Brit' is a slur is beside the point. In other countries, 'paki' wouldn't have a racist connotation.

[MarillionFan]

Hopefully EO will come bounding in, in a moment with some hilarious, slightly risque story or joke which makes a subtle light racist undertone but is of course made acceptable with a little as to so appear that he is in fact not a closet :nazi:.

[AtW]

This thread will never make it to 1000 posts...

[wim121]

So what? Black people use 'N*****' as a non-derogatory word... the fact in other cultures 'Brit' is a slur is beside the point. In other countries, 'paki' wouldn't have a racist connotation.

That was my exact point, thank you for summarising.

Some terms that are insulting here, arent in other cultures. Some terms that arent insulting for the most part here like "Brit" is a slur in other countries.

[ZuiderZee]

Anyone else think that wim is a bit off a <ahem> "wim"

[Bunk]

Obviously you guys have never been abroad.

There are numerous places where there are signs telling people not to trust Englishmen and thanks to yobbish Brits, you can overhear the majority of foreigners say such things as "I wish those ***** Brits would go home".

Brits is used as a slur more than you know.

I mentioned that very point in my post but you decided to snip it out of the quote.

[MarillionFan]

I mentioned that very point in my post but you decided to snip it out of the quote.

Look. At the end of the day you're all a bunch of *****, so as long I'm agreed on that all is good with the world.

[Arturo Bassick]

WBS

I'm amazed that Arturo and the OP are continuing this. They clearly do not f**king get it.

It's got f**k all to do with the shortening of the country but relates to the connotations of it's use. And that word in particular has been hijacked & used as a form of racist abuse, some others have not.

So because you dont understand the argument and not equipped to join in you start throwing neg reps around? Just put me on your ignore list ****.

The word itself is not racist, I think we have established that.
It only becomes racist when used in a racist way or has became a racial epithet.
Thus the word in the UK is racially offensive.
More precisely when uttered by a white person it is racially offensive.
Which means only white people can be racist (in this context) which is racist in itself.

I am currently working with 12 Asians (Southern) 2 of whom are from Karachi. The other 10 chaps (from Bangalore) refer to them using the shortened form of their nationality. I find I can not, it makes me feel dirty some how. None of the 12 would mind. I am the only one here who doesn't use it.

I find it sad that as a society we let the bigots win. They own a few words, we need to get them back.

To those of you arguing about other shortened Nationalities and nicknames. All of them are regularly used in a similar way all over the world. Pomms and Pomm bashing in Aus would be a case in point. Brits on the piss, Hooligan Brits and ******* British are all phrases I have heard in my travels. Le Rossbiff is a nasty French term for the English and is as racist a term as has ever been used yet we have a user who has it as a handle on this very board.

Some of you are driven by emotion in this argument and it shows. Get a grip.

[Zoiderman]

Rosbiff is not used in a derogtory fashion; Shakespeare used to write about 'Beef Eating Englishmen' in his books and often described soldiers 'being fed beef to fight with iron in their veins, and like wolves'. The French started using the term during the Napoleonic wars, where our soldiers were described as eaters of roast beef, this become 'Rosbif' over the years.

Now, back to the main part. OK, why do you not understand there is an issue with it? Would you, genuinely, be happy calling someone from Pakistan a paki?

Would you say, if the shop was owned by a New Zealander, that it was the Kiwi shop? Or would you call it the Zimbabwe shop if it was owned by a Zimbabwean? I dont think you would. Hence the derogatory nature it was meant, coupled with a brief nod to the 70's institutionalised racism with a reference to the Chinese restaurant being called the Chinky, itself a work on chink, a well know ethic slur (even Ofcom recognise this as a racist term).

If you think it is fine to say the work Paki in reference to a shop owned by someone who may or may not be from pakistan, you are making a distinct reference to someones race, in determining the ownership of the shop, not the shop itself, and it's this physical distinction that deems it racist, otherswise, you'd call it a shop, a newsagents, a bottle store. I have never walked down the street seen two shops, which sell similar products, and thought it apt to differentiate them by race, that's as clearer example as you can have of racial discimination, it's not a term of affection, it isn't right, and has no place in this country, or imo this board. I thought we'd got rid of all this tulip in the last century, but it seems several of you are still evolving.


Just because you say it all the time, doesn't mean it isn't an ethnical slur.

[BrilloPad]

Well I always thought that a paki shop was not necessarily run by people of Pakistani descent - but one which opened very long hours and supplied a great range of items. i.e. it is a complientary term.