No doubt it's all our fault

[ALM]

I suspect most are biding their time hoping that it never comes to out and out war on the streets in their lifetime or that they can gain political majority without resort to violence and that the infidels will never have to be put to the sword.
They are like the rest of us. Anything for an easy life.
None of that changes the fact that the Koran and the traditions tell them and us what they must do as Muslims. Please read it, it will change your viewpoint. It may give you more faith in Islam being peaceful, then again it may make you worry like it did with me.
I find it quite ironic because I started my study to understand the friends I had and what I learned came as something of a shock.

Are you totally deranged LG? The idea that most Muslims are lying in wait 'to put us to the sword' is just ridiculous. I have read the Koran, (the Bible and Torah too, as it happens) as part of my compulsory religious education and would disagree that the Koran condones the actions of the London bombers or any Muslim who plans to put his neighbours to the sword.

The verses in the Koran which I suspect you are referring to relate to a period in which the founders of the religion were not only forced to flee their homes in Mecca but were pursued across the desert by their pagan enemies, intent on annihilating the followers of the religion through a campaign of persecution and war. The Koran justifiably allowed waging war with the ‘infidels’ in such circumstances. UK Muslims, of course, are free to practice their religion in this country without the fear of murder on the way to the mosque or the kind of persecution described above. They are hardly being driven from their homes in fear for their lives! Therefore, UK muslims realise that such verses are simply not applicable to them. Unfortunately, as is the case with all faiths, there is always small group of fundamentalists intent on hijacking the faith to promote their brand or murder.

Having lived next door to a couple of Muslim families, I would suggest that the reality of the Muslim mindset rather different from what you describe. Many arrived here as economic migrants in the 60s and 70s, intent on earning a decent crust. Their aspirations in life are no different to yours or mine and the majority of them are no more a problem than any other community in the UK.

[The Master]

Their aspirations in life are no different to yours or mine and the majority of them are no more a problem than any other community in the UK.

Maybe, maybe, but to say they are no more of a "problem" (your words) is not really true I would suggest. You rarely, if ever, see a story relating to "we must not do xyz in case it offends the Chinese community" (to use one example).

[Gold Dalek]

Are you totally deranged LG? The idea that most Muslims are lying in wait 'to put us to the sword' is just ridiculous. I have read the Koran, (the Bible and Torah too, as it happens) as part of my compulsory religious education and would disagree that the Koran condones the actions of the London bombers or any Muslim who plans to put his neighbours to the sword.

The verses in the Koran which I suspect you are referring to relate to a period in which the founders of the religion were not only forced to flee their homes in Mecca but were pursued across the desert by their pagan enemies, intent on annihilating the followers of the religion through a campaign of persecution and war. The Koran justifiably allowed waging war with the ‘infidels’ in such circumstances. UK Muslims, of course, are free to practice their religion in this country without the fear of murder on the way to the mosque or the kind of persecution described above. They are hardly being driven from their homes in fear for their lives! Therefore, UK muslims realise that such verses are simply not applicable to them. Unfortunately, as is the case with all faiths, there is always small group of fundamentalists intent on hijacking the faith to promote their brand or murder.

Having lived next door to a couple of Muslim families, I would suggest that the reality of the Muslim mindset rather different from what you describe. Many arrived here as economic migrants in the 60s and 70s, intent on earning a decent crust. Their aspirations in life are no different to yours or mine and the majority of them are no more a problem than any other community in the UK.

Is u a muslim?

[threaded]

Is u a X?

Bad question, because, if as a previous poster asserts and if they are correct then they will not give a truthful answer.

How to formulate such a question to get a truthful answer is left as an exercise for the congregation.

[The Lone Gunman]

ALM: You are entitled to your opinion as to the meaning of the Koran and I mine.

The timing and situation of the revelations is insignificant, particularly as no later revelations have superceded them.

As you have studied Islam:

1. Is it possible for a Muslim to pick and choose which sura to obey?

Remember that it is not just the Koran, but the traditions which dictate Muslim behaviour.

And yes, I do believe that ALL Muslims are willing to put all us infidels to the sword should that day come, but as I said before, it is just that most are not pushing for that day.
It will only take one Imam to say that day has come and they will have no choice. If they dont join in the will be put to death as apostates and eternally damned.

You carry on living in your own little world mate, the Muslims are no threat and Khomeni (spelling) in Iran, the Taliban in afghanistan and suicide bombers never happened.
I will continue to live in mine.

May the sword of the profit be merciful.

[Gold Dalek]

Bad question, because, if as a previous poster asserts and if they are correct then they will not give a truthful answer.

How to formulate such a question to get a truthful answer is left as an exercise for the congregation.

You mean like 20 questions?

1: Do you eat Pork
2: Do you have a beard
3: Are you 50% unemployed
4: Are you at home on Friday afternoons
5: Did you cheer when the planes struck the twin towers
6: Should Israel exist
7: ....

[lilelvis2000]

check out
www.faithfreedom.org

Complete tulipe

Looks like something the republican party came up with.

[The Master]

Any religion that says it's okay to treat certain people as second class citizens (e.g. women, apostates, usurers, gays, adulterers, etc., etc.) is a crock of tulip.

[TheMonkey]

Any religion that says it's okay to treat certain people as second class citizens (e.g. women, apostates, usurers, gays, adulterers, etc., etc.) is a crock of tulip.

Precisely.

My own religion denounces all other religions - that is it's only commandment.

[DimPrawn]

That's most of them then.