Darren Upton goes down for 6 years

[AtW]

The key is once you sign someone off as an agent, you basically give them authority to act for you.

But he wasn't agent for bank, only agent for HMRC - I can see how he could have made claims for refund and give his account thus defrauding HMRC, say details of your case seem to suggest that your money reached HMRC but due to his actions they were wrong returned to him, ie - you don't owe nothing to HMRC in my view (assuming I know all facts of the case which I probably don't).

Either way I think it's crazy that someone with nice business making £250k profit would do such things - he could have easily doubled customer base if he was marketing himself properly.

[mudskipper]

Wonder how on earth he thought he'd get away with it.

[MarillionFan]

Wonder how on earth he thought he'd get away with it.

[Bagpuss]

But he wasn't agent for bank, only agent for HMRC - I can see how he could have made claims for refund and give his account thus defrauding HMRC, say details of your case seem to suggest that your money reached HMRC but due to his actions they were wrong returned to him, ie - you don't owe nothing to HMRC in my view (assuming I know all facts of the case which I probably don't).

Sure, I agree with you but HMRCs view is I signed off for him to be my representative to them therefore he is acting on my behalf. Now the trick is they didn't think I owed them anything, so he's not taking money offset against a debt, he is taking a credit (I put into the system after getting notice from darren of what was due) out of the system. He sends them a letter pretending I urgently need the money giving them new bank account details (his) but under my company name. Now the fact they didnt match what HMRC had on record for my bank details does not seem to be an issue to them (they dont have any compunction to check apparently).

Now the crunch is when HMRC realise that a proper return was due, there is now a deficit in the account which I have to refund, they wont chase darren for this as they see it as my problem and not theirs.

[Bumfluff]

Sure, I agree with you but HMRCs view is I signed off for him to be my representative to them therefore he is acting on my behalf. Now the trick is they didn't think I owed them anything, so he's not taking money offset against a debt, he is taking a credit (I put into the system after getting notice from darren of what was due) out of the system. He sends them a letter pretending I urgently need the money giving them new bank account details (his) but under my company name. Now the fact they didnt match what HMRC had on record for my bank details does not seem to be an issue to them (they dont have any compunction to check apparently).

Now the crunch is when HMRC realise that a proper return was due, there is now a deficit in the account which I have to refund, they wont chase darren for this as they see it as my problem and not theirs.

I think it f**king disgusting HMRC wont right it off is there anything peeps can do on contractoruk to try and change this ?

[AtW]

I think it f**king disgusting HMRC wont right it off is there anything peeps can do on contractoruk to try and change this ?

WHS

If someone defrauded HMRC it's that persons responsibility and they should be chasing money off him via police route: certainly when money actually reached HMRC bank account and fraudster in question got it back to their own!

[PRC1964]

I love the (c) mark on her facebook photo.



She should sue.



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Rats.

Rossparry.co.uk could be in trouble for that copyright claim. As could the Daily Fail sub who left the line below the picture as "Write caption here"

[Bagpuss]

WHS

If someone defrauded HMRC it's that persons responsibility and they should be chasing money off him via police route: certainly when money actually reached HMRC bank account and fraudster in question got it back to their own!

Of course I agree but from what I have been told HMRC have no duty of care. I have heard of individuals taking them to court over similar issues and winning but the upshot is they then become VERY interested in you. I don't fancy fighting them off for several years.


I think it f**king disgusting HMRC wont right it off is there anything peeps can do on contractoruk to try and change this ?

I doubt it, but thanks for the support.

PS he gave me his bank details first (the way it turns out he conned most), I looked at them and recognised them as not being HMRC and asked him WTF. He said he pasted them in by mistake. I sent the funds myself using the details on the payslip. Obviously that wasn't the end of the matter as he took it out of the HMRC account.

[cojak]

My sympathy also goes to those who got affected by the fraud like BagPuss - from my end I always took the view that any payments to HMRC would be done by me using account numbers provided by HMRC.

WAtWS.

But taking the money back out of HMRC after BP put it in?!?

How can anyone stop that from happening (or at least be aware of it of it does happen)?

[Bagpuss]

WAtWS.

But taking the money back out of HMRC after BP put it in?!?

How can anyone stop that from happening (or at least be aware of it of it does happen)?

Firstly you MUST sign up to online services so you can monitor the corp tax account. If I had done this I would have seen a null return had been submitted although I would probably of thought it was an HMRC cock up (as I trusted Darren).

Now when corp tax is paid I monitor the account closely, anything odd I will contact HMRC immediately.