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[suityou01]

To be fair, you were forcing them to use cursors in their programming without you even having a clue about it. You yourself accepted that you knew fu*k all about Orcale but still tried to impose some of your ideas on them.

On the contrary. They had no idea whatsoever. I suggested taking a look at cursors (as I did not know better), told them in abundance there must be alternative and better ways.

Now, ask yourself, would using a cursor really have been that bad, or is it just snobbery? This is why business people and techies don't often get along.

[eek]

Now, ask yourself, would using a cursor really have been that bad, or is it just snobbery? This is why business people and techies don't often get along.

All it did was prove once and for all that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

[suityou01]

All it did was prove once and for all that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Why? What would have been the disastrous earth shattering outcome that would have tulipcanned the whole project by using one method over another?

[bobspud]

Why? What would have been the disastrous earth shattering outcome that would have tulipcanned the whole project by using one method over another?

The answer is nothing. Users don't care. They don't understand IT so automatically shut off. I came from a heavy technical background and learned to debug complex stuff using truss, dtrace and network captures. Project after project I turn up design resilient scalable infrastructure and then watch clueless offshore morons destroy it. The last time I bothered to give a **** was when <name you own worst outsourcer here> destroyed a million pound worth of Sun infrastructure with the worst set of java coding I have ever seen. The customer had every single Weblogic tool in the shed, but the clowns that were near shored were bypassing nearly all of it opening their own oracle connections, leaving dev code all over the shop. (I even found the production server trying to build pages using a gif link from an internal off shore VM....) The catalog of errors were vast. The only thing the customer would say was "You undersized the infrastructure..."

I specified them a pair of fully specced M CLASS servers...

You cannot explain to a non technical customer that 90% of the processing power that they paid vast amounts of money for, is at any one time is sat in WAIT states because some ASS HAT wrote "!#/bin/sh ; echo" I got here"; sleep(500)" into a script then called that script from the server side java code (apparently this is easier than writing debug code for the average indian)...

and to compound the matter, rather than remove it for the production build, they just put the code into a background process so that every new login thread executes the server script which in turn shells out and sleeps for 8 minutes...

[lukemg]

This is all pretty scary...
Good news - Scored a 3 monther on 2nd best rate ever, 4 miles from house
Bad news - just signed up for a 25 yr mortgage on the basis of future revenue....

I am stashing money like there is no tomorrow to insulate myself from the revenue 'cliff'. Been done over like this before and it was very painful....

[eek]

Why? What would have been the disastrous earth shattering outcome that would have tulipcanned the whole project by using one method over another?

Nothing but you picked an overly complex way to do what was a very simple task and that was because your limited knowledge and superiority complex led you to believe that that way was the only and best way.

As I said above a little knowledge is a dangerous thing especially when Bob sees a way to string work out even further.

[suityou01]

Nothing but you picked an overly complex way to do what was a very simple task and that was because your limited knowledge and superiority complex led you to believe that that way was the only and best way.

As I said above a little knowledge is a dangerous thing especially when Bob sees a way to string work out even further.

A blatant lie. It's not a complex, I am superior. To you certainly.

You see young eek, life is like a box of chocolates. Or at least in any ecosystem there are workers, thinkers, dreamers and bottom feeders. You are sadly the latter and cannot appreciate it takes the others to make an ecosystem work.

If there were a doorless room full of eeks trying to construct a ladder to get out you wouldn't make the first cut as you'd all be arguing on the correct way to hold the saw.

[doodab]

Yeah I know we're all laughing at you... but the situation you describe is true and I've seen it for myself.

I count my blessings that I've had a few years of contracting, but I hate seeing our industry devastated by incompetants. If they were really good at what they did, then all fair and well, but that's not the case: it's purely bribery and cheap imports driven by greed. Quality is now irrelevant.

This has more to do with the bean counters than anything. Quality has been secondary to most corporations and consumers for a while. Look at all the cheap barely fit for purpose tulipe in the shops.

[eek]

If there were a doorless room full of eeks trying to construct a ladder to get out you wouldn't make the first cut as you'd all be arguing on the correct way to hold the saw.

Actually I would ask who was doing what and assuming someone was building a ladder leave them to it.

If after a couple of hours / days what was due to be delivered hadn't been delivered then I would check again to see if I could be any help.

I wouldn't leave it six weeks before asking them if they had done a bit of work that was expected to take a day or two.

[suityou01]

This has more to do with the bean counters than anything. Quality has been secondary to most corporations and consumers for a while. Look at all the cheap barely fit for purpose tulipe in the shops.

Like iPads you mean?