Hate it, hate it, hate it!!!!

[alreadypacked]

the benefit or otherwise of apprasials purely depends on the goals behind doing them

some managers will use them as Mich says to belittle staff and make sure they know their place to ensure that managers little teeny bit of power is kept.

some managers will actually use it as d000hg says to work towards postive goals for all and to ensure that you have the support to achieve your goals and make the company a better place to work.

but at the end of the day it's up to you if you work for a tulip company with crap managers go get another job - no point in using your talents to make the cupid stunts look good.

Or worse getting the blame when the cupid stunts make a real mess of a project. Saying I told you so never seams enough.


Now I just say 10K more

[original PM]

Yes sometimes it is very difficult to keep your mouth shut when things which were quite obviously going to go wrong go wrong.

I just make sure it is clearly documented who took the decision/accepted the risk and let the process take its course.

But if people are that bad at their jobs they deserve everything they get.

It takes a true leader to take advice from people and act on it.

[d000hg]

Isn't it almost as bad contracting in a crappy company, since you're probably still dealing with crappy line-managers who want to micromanage and don't 'get' that you're not an employee?

[kandr]

Isn't it almost as bad contracting in a crappy company, since you're probably still dealing with crappy line-managers who want to micromanage and don't 'get' that you're not an employee?

Yeah but as you are earning double the permie is you can laugh it off as you leave at 5 waving bye to the permies worried about their bonus review, 5 mins later you are in opening the door to your BMW which is parked next to a permies 5 year old Ford Focus.

[d000hg]

Interesting how when we talk about tax, contractors say they don't earn much more than permies once bench time is factored in, and shouldn't pay equal tax to employed people, but when not trying to defend themselves they earn far more than the same permies.

You're such a troll.

[kandr]

Interesting how when we talk about tax, contractors say they don't earn much more than permies once bench time is factored in, and shouldn't pay equal tax to employed people, but when not trying to defend themselves they earn far more than the same permies.

You're such a troll.

Yeah im a real troll, defending contractors on a contracting forum, which website did you get your Physics degree at?

[d000hg]

Troll.

[Alf W]

I can remember my fist job out of Uni where there was an annual appraisal where your manager marked you using the A to E grading system according to their gut feel on your performance. On going back there to do a contract I discovered it had been changed to take account of what you had done and your behaviours in how you got stuff done and pandered to senior management and stupid HR initiatives and via a series of complicated twists and turns it coughed up two numbers which could be plotted on a graph. There were then various lines on the graph giving you a banding that you fitted into.

How many bands were there on the graph? You guessed it - 5. Commonly known as A, B, C, D & E. The system did have the advantage that it tied up hundreds of extra man hours worth wasted time whilst people tried to manipulate the system to arrive at the banding they'd first thought of.

As a contractor my response to any request for 360 feedback is usually "you write what you want me to put and I'll send it back to you".

[original PM]

I can remember my fist job out of Uni where there was an annual appraisal where your manager marked you using the A to E grading system according to their gut feel on your performance. On going back there to do a contract I discovered it had been changed to take account of what you had done and your behaviours in how you got stuff done and pandered to senior management and stupid HR initiatives and via a series of complicated twists and turns it coughed up two numbers which could be plotted on a graph. There were then various lines on the graph giving you a banding that you fitted into.

How many bands were there on the graph? You guessed it - 5. Commonly known as A, B, C, D & E. The system did have the advantage that it tied up hundreds of extra man hours worth wasted time whilst people tried to manipulate the system to arrive at the banding they'd first thought of.

As a contractor my response to any request for 360 feedback is usually "you write what you want me to put and I'll send it back to you".

[DimPrawn]

Face it, a few years of permidoom and you are Keith.