Great unwashed to do manual work for benefits

[DodgyAgent]

It's a good idea if it targets unemployed school leavers, to get them into the habit of working.

Also, it should involve jobs that might not otherwise get done, like collecting rubbish off beaches and pruning canal tow paths. But the snag with all that is the expense of getting people to where the work needs doing, unless you accomodate them nearby in tents or something.

How do you think tens of thousands of foreign fruit pickers cope with accommodation? If these people can travel thousands of miles for work then it cant be too hard for the unemployed of Britain to find work and accommodation say 50 - 100 miles from home.

[shaunbhoy]

How typical is that? Stop reading the daily mail.

I don't read the Daily Mail, sorry to burst your little stereotypical bleeding heart perspective.

There are many who are simply unlucky.

Unlucky enough not to have found some form of work in a 12-month period, or unlucky enough to live in a country that has allowed a system whereby you are better off not working than working?

You up to this point have been lucky. Its pleasant to believe it was all your own work but no-one here can honestly claim that luck paid no part in their current circumstances.

Funnily enough, the harder I work, or the more effort I put into honing my skills, or the more prepared I am to travel to work locations, the "luckier" I seem to get.
The real injustice here is not that the likes of me lose a few extra quid in tax out of my paypacket, but that those who genuinely require more help do not get it because of all the cuckoos in the system bleeding it white. Why not take your moral bandwagon and steer it in their direction you misguided moron?

[DodgyAgent]

It is down to the fact that most of the cabinet are that disconnected from the real world by virtue of their (mostly inherited) wealth that they buy into this Daily Mail stereotype of the long term work shy dosser in his five bedroomed mansion (that WE pay for hurrumph!) surrounded by X-boxes and Sky 3D TV.

The reality is that most long term unemployed people are victims of circumstance. Take, for example, a widowed mother of young children. She's going to struggle unless she has some pretty top end skills. How is it going to help her by threatening to take food out of her kids mouths if she doesn't go and pick litter up for 30 hours a week.

I'm sure there are people taking the p1ss and claiming for all sorts whilst doing cash in hand work as well. Investigate and catch them out by all means but don't come up with stupid policy ideas like this that are clearly unworkable and unreasonable and demonstrate the fact that you haven't got the first clue what the problem is, yet you are making loud noises about the solution.

what I find so bizarre about people like you and this attitude that somehow the best thing for such people is that you seem to think that keeping them unemployed is somehow good for them. People like you seem to think that condemning "unfortunate people" to a life of "there there now you cant help being too stupid to work-let me give you a house and benefits to show you I care" is somehow a good thing. Would you do it? Of course you would'nt so why should they?

The best thing for these people is for them to get into work. It is better (yes for them) they earn money and gain self respect and stand on their own two feet, just as it is for you.

The trouble is that the self serving hypocrites of the left have little respect for the poor seeing them no more than a useful excuse with which to rob hard working people for their own political (building a bigger state) and personal (hating people who are richer than they are) ends

[sasguru]

Once the Tories have looked after their mates in big business and allowed another 30,000 IT workers from India here, the number of long term IT unemployed should be quite considerable.
And then, given the choice of £20K a year as a highly skilled developer or a life with your rent paid and some cash in hand work on top of benefits, the reality may come home to some of you knob-ends who think the Tories are your friends.

[shoes]

I hope that the more inhumane amongst you never find yourselves in circumstances that are not of your own making only to find yourselves reliant on people like your past selves for some compassion.

You're all one step away from the poor house yourselves, I hope for your sakes that you never find this out.

I'll leave you to your fantasy land, it wouldn't be kind to explain it all to you, you're happier believing what you have you deserve.

Enjoy pssing about on cuk at your clients expense, having a go at all these freeloaders.

[shaunbhoy]

I hope that the more inhumane amongst you never find yourselves in circumstances that are not of your own making only to find yourselves reliant on people like your past selves for some compassion.

You're all one step away from the poor house yourselves, I hope for your sakes that you never find this out.

I'll leave you to your fantasy land, it wouldn't be kind to explain it all to you, you're happier believing what you have you deserve.

Enjoy pssing about on cuk at your clients expense, having a go at all these freeloaders.

Oh hold on......is this your violin?

[sasguru]

I hope that the more inhumane amongst you never find yourselves in circumstances that are not of your own making only to find yourselves reliant on people like your past selves for some compassion.

You're all one step away from the poor house yourselves, I hope for your sakes that you never find this out.

I'll leave you to your fantasy land, it wouldn't be kind to explain it all to you, you're happier believing what you have you deserve.

Enjoy pssing about on cuk at your clients expense, having a go at all these freeloaders.

Quite correct. Very few on here have transformed their high rates into a real capital buffer for the hard times round the corner.

[MarillionFan]

Oh hold on......is this your violin?

Do be careful. RH and Cojak will ride in soon, not talk to each other and then send PM's and Infractions for 'breaking the rules'.

My bloody settings screen is like a rainbow

[Jog On]

I hope that the more inhumane amongst you never find yourselves in circumstances that are not of your own making only to find yourselves reliant on people like your past selves for some compassion.
You're all one step away from the poor house yourselves, I hope for your sakes that you never find this out.

I'll leave you to your fantasy land, it wouldn't be kind to explain it all to you, you're happier believing what you have you deserve.

Enjoy pssing about on cuk at your clients expense, having a go at all these freeloaders.

There's a distinction that needs to be made between those who are unfortunate and those who are lazy/gaming the system.

You have a set idea in your mind that we're all laughing at the unfortunate with a "let them eat cake" attitude. I don't think anyone can dissuade you from thinking that as you will think it regardless of what anyone says.

You think we're in the situations we are because of luck as opposed to choice/risk/hard work and that this is aimed at the helpless and unfortunate who you seem to be aligning yourslef with.

This incentive is aimed at the able bodied and (to some extent) minded who refuse to work becuase in the current welfare system they don't have to. Also it's aimed at people stealing from the system by working cash in hand and claiming benefits.

We're all more than familiar with life on the bench - but we've learnt to do what we have to in order to get by. This bill is aimed at those who don't do what they have to in order to get by - because in the past they just haven't had to. Now they do. It's an entitlement culture that's needed changing for a long time and now it is. How do you suggest they do it?

[GreenLabel]

Quite correct. Very few on here have transformed their high rates into a real capital buffer for the hard times round the corner.

And you know this how?