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[Ignis Fatuus]

Does anyone else keep getting spam Bob emails offering web design, SEO etc written very badly, sent from hotmail/gmail/yahoo addresses with &*&$ing read receipts!?

I like to use a mail client that lets me decide whether the read receipt gets sent or not.

[Spacecadet]

Contracting is dead, seriously. I'm in an office filled with bobs on 18 grand a year. They may be shoite but management would rather hire 5 of them to the one of me.

I wouldn't say its dead... but I would hate to be an unexperienced graduate trying to get into IT right now.
What this means in the future is that we'll have an ever shrinking pool of home grown talent.

There will always be work for experienced, good quality contractors and at a decent rate too.

[Troll]

This thread needed some racism to spice it up, well done for stepping up

As I always say, your company should spend more time finding the good offshore developers - they do exist. The problem is they aren't as cheap, the top-notch guys anyhow.

Are you a Gupta d000hg?

Over the years I've worked with krap,good & brilliant UK nationals

Without exception all the Indian imports - on or offshore fall into the krap category

My client base is always blue chip - so you would have expected at some stage over the last decade to have come across some good ones - or have I just been unlucky?

[gricerboy]

This thread needed some racism to spice it up, well done for stepping up

Quite. Next thing we know, he'll be blaming the bedbug epidemic on the Indians!

[d000hg]

Are you a Gupta d000hg?

Not that I know of... what is it?

Over the years I've worked with krap,good & brilliant UK nationals

Without exception all the Indian imports - on or offshore fall into the krap category

My client base is always blue chip - so you would have expected at some stage over the last decade to have come across some good ones - or have I just been unlucky?

Either unlucky, or all your clients have delegated the hiring and management of offshore resources to an offshore company.
Any company that outsources any project and doesn't keep a close involvement is looking to fail. That's just common sense.

I've certainly come across good Asian & Eastern European developers. But I wouldn't allow an offshore PM I never met to manage them.

[Troll]

Not that I know of... what is it?

Either unlucky, or all your clients have delegated the hiring and management of offshore resources to an offshore company.
Any company that outsources any project and doesn't keep a close involvement is looking to fail. That's just common sense.

I've certainly come across good Asian & Eastern European developers. But I wouldn't allow an offshore PM I never met to manage them.

Eastern European & non- Indian Asians I have had some good experience with...I thought the thread was explicitly to do with Indians

[xoggoth]

They always seemed pretty good where I was although this agreement is completely wrong as it can't be reciprocal in practice.

Even if India lifts all the restrictions it has had until now, how many companies there will actually recruit Brits and how many would actually want to go if they did? The pay our people would get there would hardly provide much of a nest egg here, while our higher wages which they send back, to the detriment of our economy, do them very nicely given their lower cost of living.

[TimberWolf]

If they aren't better than us yet, they soon will be.

[d000hg]

Eastern European & Asian I have had some good experience with...I thought the thread was explicitly to do with Indians

India is in Asia you dolt.

[minestrone]

They are getting better, I have worked with 2 in the last year that seem decent.

However I have worked with some, many actually who should really be sweeping floors in KFC. Seriously useless, dangerous in fact.