Romanian Gypsies

[MaryPoppins]

So that means an Pakistani CUK member could call someone a 'Paki' and it would be accepted ? Somehow I doubt it

Whose is this sockie?

[Mich the Tester]

People should stop banging on about human rights

No they shouldn't. Human rights matter. It is a case of finding out how to balance human rights and responsibilities to society. You can't expect people to take responsibility if they have no rights. You also can't ask people to respect your rights if you don't show responsibility. Rights without responsibility are a recipe for anarchy. Responsibility without rights is tyranny. I don't want either of those situations.

[minestrone]

No they shouldn't. Human rights matter. It is a case of finding out how to balance human rights and responsibilities to society. You can't expect people to take responsibility if they have no rights. You also can't ask people to respect your rights if you don't show responsibility. Rights without responsibility are a recipe for anarchy. Responsibility without rights is tyranny. I don't want either of those situations.

Does that mean anything? really? It's just drivel.

[Mich the Tester]

Does that mean anything? really? It's just drivel.

Well, it does if you're scared tulipless of being beaten up by skinheads and the police turning a blind eye, yes.

[doodab]

Principles are inconvenient precisely when they are needed most.

[minestrone]

Well, it does if you're scared tulipless of being beaten up by skinheads and the police turning a blind eye, yes.

What has that got to do with the theiving Romanian Gypsies?

You are trying to take the debate to an extreme, you want me to debate skinheads and corrupt police when it is nothing to do with that. It is a favourite leftie policy, put fear into a debate where there is no fear. You wil be battering on about Kristallnacht soon.

I would just rather we lifted these romas up and sent them back to europe.

[Mich the Tester]

What has that got to do with the theiving Romanian Gypsies?

You are trying to take the debate to an extreme, you want me to debate skinheads and corrupt police when it is nothing to do with that. It is a favourite leftie policy, put fear into a debate where there is no fear. You wil be battering on about Kristallnacht soon.

I would just rather we lifted these romas up and sent them back to europe.

Nonsense. I'm pointing out that 'lifting them up and sending them back' may not be a solution and might lead to more trouble than we already have. Especially if they're sent to places where gypsies are being treated like animals on a regular basis. I would like to see the problems dealt with, but I don't want to be responsible for something bloody awful and I don't want to see an endless cycle of failure being repeated.

Nothing to do with being leftie (which I'm not), everything to do with looking at different sides of an issue before judging what to do.

[minestrone]

Nonsense. I'm pointing out that 'lifting them up and sending them back' may not be a solution and might lead to more trouble than we already have. Especially if they're sent to places where gypsies are being treated like animals on a regular basis. I would like to see the problems dealt with, but I don't want to be responsible for something bloody awful.

Nothing to do with being leftie, everything to do with looking at different sides of an issue before judging.

We deport non EU workers every day who are 10 times as usefull to this country as these people.

Honestly, I am sure your happy clappy A level politics would not last long if you witnessed first hand the crime wave that these buggers are responsible for.

[Mich the Tester]

happy clappy A level politics

Somehow I think that if more people did an A level in politics they might understand how complex this issue really is, and has been for hundreds of years. Maybe when people grasp the complexity instead of issuing emotional rants, some kind of humane solution or process toward a decent solution might be a little closer. As it stands, we're no closer to solving the gypsy issue than 100 or 200 years ago, and actually getting further away each time the whole cycle of populist measures like mass deportations and whatever comes next starts up again.

[minestrone]

Somehow i think that if more people did an a level in politics they might understand how complex this issue really is, and has been for hundreds of years. Maybe when people grasp the complexity instead of issuing emotional rants, some kind of humane solution or process toward a decent solution might be a little closer. As it stands, we're no closer to solving the gypsy issue than 100 or 200 years ago, and actually getting further away each time the whole cycle of populist measures like mass deportations and whatever comes next starts up again.

it's. Not. Our. Problem