Hamas and the power of democracy

[expat]

Nah mate, he was a christian!

OK, his Mum then.

[snaw]

It also helps to know the history of the area. There were almost no Jews in Palestine in 1900. But Britain administered Palestine from 1917, and allowed Jews in, against the wishes of the Arabs.

Uncertain as to whether this is factual Fungus, but was the above scanario due to a deal between the USA and the UK, the deal being that the US would enter World War 1 if the UK established Israel ?

Not far off the truth ...

"the land of Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. However, this area did not constitute a single political unit. The northern districts of Acre and Nablus were part of the province of Beirut. The district of Jerusalem was under the direct authority of the Ottoman capital of Istanbul because of the international significance of the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem as religious centers for Muslims, Christians and Jews. According to Ottoman records, in 1878 there were 462,465 subject inhabitants of the Jerusalem, Nablus and Acre districts: 403,795 Muslims (including Druze), 43,659 Christians and 15,011 Jews. In addition, there were perhaps 10,000 Jews with foreign citizenship (recent immigrants to the country), and several thousand Muslim Arab nomads (bedouin) who were not counted as Ottoman subjects. The great majority of the Arabs (Muslims and Christians) lived in several hundred rural villages. Jaffa and Nablus were the largest and economically most important Arab towns. "

[AlfredJPruffock]

Not far off the truth ...

"the land of Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. However, this area did not constitute a single political unit. The northern districts of Acre and Nablus were part of the province of Beirut. The district of Jerusalem was under the direct authority of the Ottoman capital of Istanbul because of the international significance of the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem as religious centers for Muslims, Christians and Jews. According to Ottoman records, in 1878 there were 462,465 subject inhabitants of the Jerusalem, Nablus and Acre districts: 403,795 Muslims (including Druze), 43,659 Christians and 15,011 Jews. In addition, there were perhaps 10,000 Jews with foreign citizenship (recent immigrants to the country), and several thousand Muslim Arab nomads (bedouin) who were not counted as Ottoman subjects. The great majority of the Arabs (Muslims and Christians) lived in several hundred rural villages. Jaffa and Nablus were the largest and economically most important Arab towns. "

Do Jaffa cakes originate from Jaffa ?

[Fungus]

It also helps to know the history of the area. There were almost no Jews in Palestine in 1900. But Britain administered Palestine from 1917, and allowed Jews in, against the wishes of the Arabs.

Uncertain as to whether this is factual Fungus, but was the above scanario due to a deal between the USA and the UK, the deal being that the US would enter World War 1 if the UK established Israel ?

Back on the thread, it is remarkable to see the polarisation of Middle East Politics since the Iraq War, far from stabilising the Middle East after removing Saddam, we now have an extreme reactioanary government in Tehran, fundamentalists in power in Iraq and now Hamas in control in Jeruslalem

Yes it is factual and comes from several books I have. And not they were not published by Hamas Enterprises.

There was no US/UK deal of which I am aware. The British made promises to both the Jews and the Arabs, but basically reneged on those to the Arabs. In the end we pulled out in about 1947 as we had insufficient manpower to fight the Jewish terrorists. A relative fought the Jews and described them as worse than the Nazis, who he also fought.

Fungus

[DaveB]

Do Jaffa cakes originate from Jaffa ?

And are they a cake or are they a biscuit?

[Fungus]

Not far off the truth ...

Snaw: Thanks for a more accurate summary. I was going by memory. The term Palestine was used from 1917 when it was the Mandate of Palestine and adminstered by the British. Basically the area was passed from one colonial power - the Ottomans - to another - the British.

Fungus

[Fungus]

Do Jaffa cakes originate from Jaffa ?

Do Nice biscuits originate from Nice?

I think we deserve an answer.

[Dundeegeorge]

I had a cake in Munich once

Do Nice biscuits originate from Nice?

I think we deserve an answer.

but it was stollen.

[Lucifer Box]

And are they a cake or are they a biscuit?

A cake for VAT purposes.

[DaveB]

but it was stollen.

By Garibaldi?