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    #41
    Originally posted by Chico
    Fungus are you arguing with historical fact? Or because it does not fit your namby-pamby God-hating, anti-Semitic worldview, it therefore does not count?
    You said: "Palestine has never existed as a country in its own right ... The whole land has always been Israel."

    That is not fact. That is fiction. And to point that out is not anti-Semitic. You'd do well not to cry wolf.

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      #42
      Links or it never happened

      Mailman

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        #43
        Originally posted by Mailman
        Links or it never happened

        Mailman
        I assuming that your garbled text means "Post links to prove it happened". Well my information comes from several books. I suggest you do some reading. Jonathon Dimbleby has one called "The Palestinians" though I can't comment on the quality. One I liked was co-written by a Rabbi and an Arab scholar. Naturally it was separated into two distinct parts, each written by one author. I was provoked into reading up on this by a Jewish Israeli colleague, who was a likeable lad and a bit of a leftie by Israeli standards (though still reassuringly right wing).

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          #44
          Originally posted by Chico
          Palestine has never existed as a country in its own right ...
          Wrong - In the time of King David or thereabouts, about 1200 BC, the Phillistines settled land along a coastal strip which became a separate state called Philistia. They were Greek settlers (Phillis = Hellas) and more advanced in most respects than the Jewish people of the time. (Goliath's real name was probably something like Agoliathes.)

          Originally posted by Chico
          The whole land has always been Israel.
          Wrong - In the time of Christ, and for centuries before that, what is modern Israel was a patchwork of separate countries, as a historical map shows, with the Israelites occupying a small central region that didn't even include Jerusalem. The Bible gives a somewhat one-sided view of their significance.

          Hadrian (Roman Emperor) after he conquered the land and because of his hatred for Jews, renamed Judea "Palestine" after the Philistines
          Hadrian was emperor in around 120 AD. Palestine first became part of the Roman empire when it was conquered by Gnaeus Pompeius in 62 BC. By your timescale the Duke of Wellington would have been running the Falklands War

          Feck it, it's friday evening. What am I doing wasting my time correcting Chico's posts yet again? I'm off ...
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            #45
            The important bit is that muslim palestine never existed. As you said yourself, the philistines were related to the greeks, not ayerabs.

            Mailman

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              #46
              Originally posted by Mailman
              The important bit is that muslim palestine never existed. As you said yourself, the philistines were related to the greeks, not ayerabs.

              Mailman
              You really are dense, aren't you?

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                #47
                Originally posted by Mailman
                The important bit is that muslim palestine never existed. As you said yourself, the philistines were related to the greeks, not ayerabs.

                Mailman
                Lord knows what you are on about. The important point is that the Israel that we see today is a modern invention, and that for several thousand years the inhabitants of that area were majority Arab with small numbers of Jews, Christians etc.

                Anyway, you don't want to go giving Plaid Cymru ideas or there'll be Welsh settlers flooding into England, claiming it as their ancestral homeland.

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                  #48
                  That's the price of democracy,

                  When the British people where given a chance to stop the wars and killing, they chose not to !! their vote went to Blair and the war

                  When the Americans had a chance to choose peace, they didn't, they voted for Bush and his wars

                  When the Iraqis were given a chance they also choose shia(thought to be extreme Islam)


                  When the Germans were given the choice .. whom did they choose??

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by zamzummim
                    That's the price of democracy,

                    When the British people where given a chance to stop the wars and killing, they chose not to !! their vote went to Blair and the war

                    When the Americans had a chance to choose peace, they didn't, they voted for Bush and his wars

                    When the Iraqis were given a chance they also choose shia(thought to be extreme Islam)


                    When the Germans were given the choice .. whom did they choose??
                    It is not a price, it is the choice of the people. This means that the leaders are accountable and take responsibility. There is still no consensus that the wars were a bad thing, so dont make assumptions
                    Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by DodgyAgent
                      There is still no consensus that the wars were a bad thing, so dont make assumptions


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