Blaze of Glory

[SupremeSpod]

Because free range animal has got a nice life and then sudden "visit to hospital", that a massive drop from a good life, where as poor battery chicken has got lower expectations and imminent death can be view as a relief

Ahhh, this is where you start confusing animals with sentient beings. You remind me of Baldrick. Thick as sh!t but strangely lovable. (Not in an HAB way, I was never confused!)

[doodab]

Ahhh, this is where you start confusing animals with sentient beings. You remind me of Baldrick. Thick as sh!t but strangely lovable. (Not in an HAB way, I was never confused!)

Perhaps they are. Quite a few of them are capable of passing the mirror test, for example.

[northernladuk]

Well, I'm not sure a 3 yr old has a concept of life and death, so it probably wouldn't be a conscious decision to torture then kill. It would be a kid mucking about with something they found on the floor that wiggles, then stops wiggling.

I agree, that is the flaw I am pointing out in Doodab's scenario he is using to compare the two. It is not similar enough to use that as an argument for the point you make and the difference between a slow death and a squish.

I used the earthworm because it actually happened. He didn't torture it, he played with it for a few minutes i.e. picked it up, poked it a bit etc but nothing malicious, I think even the squishing was more out of curiosity.

Again I agree with this, hell didn't we all do this as kids. The point I was making is that you can't use an example of a 3 year old and worm when comparing it to bullfighting which is what you were doing.

Re the cats, you are absolutely right. My apologies.

[d000hg]

As a responsible parent, I would hope to explain to my son that animals do not exist for humans to torture.

Again, where does this 'truth' come from? Does an animal have a 'reason for existing'?

What part of "unnecessary and gratuitous" don't you understand?

Batter farming and bull-fighting are both done to make money and give people enjoyment... whether the enjoyment of watching or the enjoyment of eating meat more frequently if you're poor.

I think you may mean sustenance?

No - look it up

I think most of us would agree that battery farming is abhorrent, and luckily, most of us are also hopefully in a position, if meat eaters, to afford to buy meat that has been farmed more responsibly.

If we choose to.

And then not to bleat (pardon the pun) on about it.

Fine, that's a reasonable position. But about the bull you think it is appropriate to wish death on people, rather than let them choose if they object to animal cruelty or not. Which seems inconsistent. Shouldn't you wish death on those who run battery farms and those who sell the meat and those who eat the meat?

[d000hg]

Where do we stand on burning insects with a magnifying glass? What about cats?

[Spacecadet]

Where do we stand on burning insects with a magnifying glass? What about cats?

burning a cat with a magnifying glass will probably get you a scratched face

[MaryPoppins]

Ok d000hg, I give up, you win.

Your badly structured and infantile counter arguments have defeated this little lady.

[doodab]

Where do we stand on burning insects with a magnifying glass? What about cats?

I prefer to capture them under a glass and keep them trapped until they die so that I can make photos of them.

[SupremeSpod]

I prefer to capture them under a glass and keep them trapped until they die so that I can make photos of them.

What? Cats?

Sick bastard.

[d000hg]

Ok d000hg, I give up, you win.

Your badly structured and infantile counter arguments have defeated this little lady.

Typical. Try to ask someone to justify their claims that something is "just wrong" and they get all huffy and insult you. You didn't even make an argument why it was wrong for me to counter.

I think you word confusion continues. "Infantile" doesn't actually mean "too complicated for me to understand"

Anytime you fancy a reasoned discussion rather than an emotional outburst, happy to join you