Melanie Philips - what a moron.

[ASB]

There, again, is nothing wrong with the 3 in 1. The evidence he came up with was shambles. Bowing to the media campaign would have damaged the Medical profession in this country for decades. There would be a campaign every year if they had got their way over MMR.

Of course in the context of Wakefield I think you are probably right, but that it not what you say. You imply there is nothing wrong with it - period. That is simply untrue.

The combined vaccine is significantly more likely to lead to problems with people who are immuno compromised. Advice is (or was when my kids were of that age) that immuno suppressed people should not be given the MMR jab. Also children in households with immuno suppressed people should not be given it (possibility of additional risk to the immuno suppressed person).

Whether the overall risk to the patient is any different than the additional risk factors caused by 3 separate live vaccinations I don't know; it is almost certainly the case that the combined vaccine is probably the correct choice for most people, but for a small minority it definitely isn't.

Edit, think the advice is still current.

http://www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk/resour.../MMRII_SPC.pdf

An extract:-

Fatal cases of measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) and pneumonitis as a direct consequence of disseminated measles vaccine virus infection have been reported in severely immunocompromised individuals vaccinated with measles-containing vaccine.Those patients with a family history of congenital hereditary immunodeficiency until their immune competence has been demonstrated.

[Mich the Tester]

Fatal cases of measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) and pneumonitis as a direct consequence of disseminated measles vaccine virus infection have been reported in severely immunocompromised individuals vaccinated with measles-containing vaccine.Those patients with a family history of congenital hereditary immunodeficiency until their immune competence has been demonstrated.

Aren't 'severely immunocompromised individuals' very likely to die of something shortly anyway?

I mean, I don't want to be really harsh here, but isn't this a bit like saying 'people with paraplegia could be crippled by falling out of a wheelchair'?

[xoggoth]

Certainly don't agree with everything MP says, esp on green issues but anyone who has ever read her stuff or listened to her and calls her stupid has to be severely rationally challenged. Who started this post? Oh right.

[ASB]

Aren't 'severely immunocompromised individuals' very likely to die of something shortly anyway?

I mean, I don't want to be really harsh here, but isn't this a bit like saying 'people with paraplegia could be crippled by falling out of a wheelchair'?

Some do, some don't. It's a wide area. In my case life expectancy isn't particularly compromised - apart from opportunistic infection.

There are a lot of immune diseases out there, they have varying effects. Some are common some rare, however extreme caution is required with live vaccines in these people. The answer may simply be "tough" you get immunised, however this would in my view be unreasonable. MMR is particularly dangerous in this group of people, single immunisations much less so.

However, there will always be casualties. Usually "underlying health issues" (ie we didn't know they had that). Frankly this is probably an acceptable attrition rate given the health affects of not treating. Scant comfort to, for example, the family of the young girl killed by her second cervical cancer jab last year.

[minestrone]

Certainly don't agree with everything MP says, esp on green issues but anyone who has ever read her stuff or listened to her and calls her stupid has to be severely rationally challenged. Who started this post? Oh right.

I don't think he called her stupid, he asked the question if she was stupid.

Personally I will call her stupid for backing this guy, he was not qualified to do the research that he was doing, his research was just a joke and his findings were based on his opinion. She has no medical qualifications and yet she is willing to back this guy over the GMC. 50,000 doctors want him kicked out, there is not even a split.

Journalists these days are experts on everything, fat bastards who think Rooney is a crap footballer, English students who comment on the city.

Measles is not some just flu like illness, neither is mumps which can leave you sterile, these are nasty diseases, wakefiled has been responsible for untold misery.

He has been thrown out of medicine for being unfit to practice, his research was not up to standard and with the media stormed he caused needless deaths, these are the facts that were considered. He caused death and his work was crap. I will side with the GMC there.

[minestrone]

anyway..

Walk into a packed cinema and shout FIRE and you would get charged and put in jail.

Lie to every new mother that a potentially life saving injection for her child could turn him autistic and you are a cult hero.

Now I know why we had new labour in power for the last 13 years, there are an incredible amount of idiots in this country and yet they are not shy to admit it.

[AtW]

there are an incredible amount of idiots in this country and yet they are not shy to admit it.

Are you an idiot or shy, or both?

[minestrone]

Are you an idiot or shy, or both?

Did you agree or disagree with what I wrote? maybe if we discuss the topic I can call you an idiot, I will give you the chance to prove you are not an idiot by coming into a thread and not just talking complete crap during what is a fairly high level discussion.

[AtW]

during what is a fairly high level discussion.

oh stop it!



you are killing me!



sas - I give you a special ATW point for this new sockie of yours.

[MarillionFan]

Are you an idiot or shy, or both?

Come on AtW you moron. Up your game a little this evening, otherwise you're going to find yourself in the position of CUK Village Idiot....again.