Melanie Philips - what a moron.

[threaded]

I am sure you can use google to come up with sonmething to support that...

Or we will just say you talk complete tulip.

One must admit the parallels are quite stunning.

[sasguru]

One must admit the parallels are quite stunning.

They are? I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you're a complete moron.

[Troll]

What I don't get is why is it so difficult to provide the 3 injections separately for those with concerns.

Japan has ceased to use the triple vaccine and now administers single shots for each- the levels of diagnosed autism have not fallen but actually increased (may be due to better diagnosis)

We had to modify our vaccine after (rare) correlation between administration of the vaccine and viral meningitis

The reason why triple vaccine is preferred appears to be down to costs and timing -i.e. getting immunity before play school begins

With all vaccinations the long-term effects are still being monitored & since the jab has been around since the 1960's you would think there is a big enough sample size

However, my kids had the MMR jab but if I was going through it again I would pay for individual jabs

[Addanc]

There did not need to be a choice, 3 in 1 is exactly the same as the single jags.

If I turned up at my doctors suffering from headaches and demanded that he treat me with leaches should he be forced to do that because leaches is my choice and that is the way I want to be treated. Is patient choice to trump scientific medical training?

Nobody wanted choice before wakefield turned up with his crap research and misguided findings.

I suppose you believe Dr Roy Meadows was a statistical genius (not struck off, but should have been).

Although the MMR vaccine appears safe for the majority of kids, there appears to be a small but significant group who are adversely affected; the affected group is being dismissed by the medical profession (Government) as acceptable collateral damage; this is wrong.

[Sysman]

Although the MMR vaccine appears safe for the majority of kids, there appears to be a small but significant group who are adversely affected; the affected group is being dismissed by the medical profession (Government) as acceptable collateral damage; this is wrong.

It was Blair's involvement which made me wonder about this.

But we should not overlook the importance of Tony Blair's position in the story. For people confused about who to trust, this was an important indicator of the government's faith in its own position. In a nutshell, was the government's support for MMR deeply felt or merely tactical and strategic? Leo Blair might, therefore, be reasonably seen as a test of the government's confidence in its own position.

Other than that, it's not a subject which has really aroused my interest.

[OwlHoot]

The history of Medicine is littered with stuff like this. Do you know what happened to the Doctor who suggested it would be a really good idea if other Doctors washed their hands between visiting patients?

He got hounded out of his job.

And the Doctors who had been washing their hands stopped doing so.

IIRC tripled the infant mortality rate.

I am sure you can use google to come up with sonmething to support that...

Or we will just say you talk complete tulip.

Threaded was spot on, and you're the one talking complete tulip.

Try Googling Ignaz Semmelweis

While employed as assistant to the professor of the maternity clinic at the Vienna General Hospital in Austria in 1847, Semmelweis introduced hand washing with chlorinated lime solutions for interns who had performed autopsies. This immediately reduced the incidence of fatal puerperal fever from about 10 percent (range 5–30 percent) to about 1–2 percent. At the time, diseases were attributed to many different and unrelated causes. Each case was considered unique, just as a human person is unique. Semmelweis's hypothesis, that there was only one cause, that all that mattered was cleanliness, was extreme at the time, and was largely ignored, rejected or ridiculed. He was dismissed from the hospital for political reasons and harassed by the medical community in Vienna, being eventually forced to move to Pest.

[minestrone]

I suppose you believe Dr Roy Meadows was a statistical genius (not struck off, but should have been).

Although the MMR vaccine appears safe for the majority of kids, there appears to be a small but significant group who are adversely affected; the affected group is being dismissed by the medical profession (Government) as acceptable collateral damage; this is wrong.

Every drug has it's problems, I am not doubting that, but the claim that it causes autism is just pure pish.

It's an old argument and one I cannot really be bothered going back to in any great depth, the idiots have outed themselves again.

[sasguru]

Threaded was spot on, and you're the one talking complete tulip.

Try Googling Ignaz Semmelweis

And this is related to a doctor who has been struck off because the serious flaws in his methodology led to completely erroneous and dangerous conclusion about MMR, how exactly?
Has post modenism infected so many that basic logic has gone out the window?
FFS. Cretins.

[sasguru]

Although the MMR vaccine appears safe for the majority of kids, there appears to be a small but significant group who are adversely affected; the affected group is being dismissed by the medical profession (Government) as acceptable collateral damage; this is wrong.

Drug is not 100% effective and safe shocker.
FFS. Morons.

[OwlHoot]

And this is related to a doctor who has been struck off because the serious flaws in his methodology led to completely erroneous and dangerous conclusion about MMR, how exactly?

I was replying specifically to Minestrone's claim that Threaded was talking rubbish about the hand-washing doctor.

I even included Threaded's post, as a quote within a quote, to make it extra obvious what my post related to.

But evidently that wasn't obvious enough for you.

And you call _me_ a cretin?