Melanie Philips - what a moron.

[minestrone]

But what about choice? The injections were separate, then the 3in1 was forced on everyone. Yes, you can pay to get them separately, but why should the poor be denied this choice?

If the choice was there the whole issue would have fizzled out and there would also be a load of real world data for statisticians to play with.

Would you accept interference in your job from someone that had absolutely no training?

The poor are invariably stupid and it is their fault for believing what the Sun says over their family doctor.

The drugs were ordered years in advance under contract, these things just cannot be changed. The 3 injections are more costly to produce and give.

There, again, is nothing wrong with the 3 in 1. The evidence he came up with was shambles. Bowing to the media campaign would have damaged the Medical profession in this country for decades. There would be a campaign every year if they had got their way over MMR.

[threaded]

Would you accept interference in your job from someone that had absolutely no training?

I am glad to hear you've never worked with some of the management I have.

The poor are invariably stupid and it is their fault for believing what the Sun says over their family doctor.

The poor are those with skills considered less economically valuable in our society. Has little to do with intelligence.

The drugs were ordered years in advance under contract, these things just cannot be changed. The 3 injections are more costly to produce and give.

But what about choice?

There, again, is nothing wrong with the 3 in 1. The evidence he came up with was shambles. Bowing to the media campaign would have damaged the Medical profession in this country for decades. There would be a campaign every year if they had got their way over MMR.

There is a campaign every year about one thing or the other in the NHS.

[Moscow Mule]

But what about choice?

The NHS should not be about choice in this instance.

It should be about "this is what we provide". What is provided should be good enough for everybody.

If you think differently to the NHS, pay up or shut up.

[threaded]

The NHS should not be about choice in this instance.

It should be about "this is what we provide". What is provided should be good enough for everybody.

If you think differently to the NHS, pay up or shut up.

Some parents do pay. It's this thing about the poor being denied choices in something so emotive that seems wrong somehow.

[minestrone]

There did not need to be a choice, 3 in 1 is exactly the same as the single jags.

If I turned up at my doctors suffering from headaches and demanded that he treat me with leaches should he be forced to do that because leaches is my choice and that is the way I want to be treated. Is patient choice to trump scientific medical training?

Nobody wanted choice before wakefield turned up with his crap research and misguided findings.

[Gibbon]

The NHS prescribe placebos, and more often than not repeat prescriptions too; do these not also have a cost?

Well people paying prescription prices for placebos will be funding the NHS.

[threaded]

There did not need to be a choice, 3 in 1 is exactly the same as the single jags.

If I turned up at my doctors suffering from headaches and demanded that he treat me with leaches should he be forced to do that because leaches is my choice and that is the way I want to be treated. Is patient choice to trump scientific medical training?

Facile example I know, but Doctors spent many years trying to stop women using midwives.

Nobody wanted choice before wakefield turned up with his crap research and misguided findings.

I know you are wrong there.

[sasguru]

. It's this thing about the poor being denied choices in something so emotive that seems wrong somehow.

And there we have it. Your mind doesn't exactly work like a steel trap does it?
The fact is there is absoulutely nothing wrong with the MMR 3-in-1 and no reason to go with the increased cost and hassle of separating them.
HTH, but I know you'll struggle to understand.

[threaded]

And there we have it. Your mind doesn't exactly work like a steel trap does it?
The fact is there is absoulutely nothing wrong with the MMR 3-in-1 and no reason to go with the increased cost and hassle of separating them.
HTH, but I know you'll struggle to understand.

I was talking about parents being denied simple choices when it came to their children. People can get really upset over the simplest of things when it comes to their kids.

One would assume professional medical people involved with children's health would understand stuff, that to me at least, appears really obvious.

I am sure the cost to the NHS of parents stressing over this stuff is more than what it would be to just provide the choice. Just a handful of mothers tipped over the edge onto antidepressants is far more expensive for example.

[shaunbhoy]

I was talking about parents being denied simple choices when it came to their children.

They are not being denied choice. They have the simple choice, take the prescribed 3-in-1 vaccination, or don't, and take your chances. If they choose to believe the media-driven hysteria whipped up on the back of this Quack's flawed findings then nature will cull them soon enough. And no bad thing in my book. Far too many cloth-eared jellyheads clogging up the place anyway.
As for Melanie Phillips, she should be struck off too............alarmist trollop!