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[northernladuk]

You mean a new party came in and made the UK more affluent and attractive to immigrants?

You can't link a global problem like this to one particular party. That's just a blinkered useless witch hunt. It is no wonder people are bored by politics with this type of reasoning.

What further makes me laugh when I read these 'what labour ruined' is that the people quoting it either think their party would make a better job of it even though their manifesto is as weak as the outgoing parties on this topic OR they slate the outgoing party withouth even thinking about what their party will do. I hate politics....

[Mich the Tester]

Don't come here it's tulipe, full of immigrants who get large houses and instant benefits,

Do they really? How many of them 'get large houses' or 'instant benefits'?

[JimBobTwoTeeth]

Sure, the British government shoud have put more pressure on the EU to stick to its deals, but they didn't as Britain's economy was in a Brown bubble and needed workers.

....and Labour didn't have the balls to enact welfare reform so that people HAD to work. They bottled it and went for the migrant option. Twunts.

[northernladuk]

....and Labour didn't have the balls to enact welfare reform so that people HAD to work. They bottled it and went for the migrant option. Twunts.

And Conservatives or Lib dems would have done anything different. Get real.

[JimBobTwoTeeth]

And Conservatives or Lib dems would have done anything different. Get real.

The Tories are the claimants friend. You are so right.

[gingerjedi]

Do they really? How many of them 'get large houses' or 'instant benefits'?

The ones with big families and young kids of course, children are always put first and rightly so.

The trouble is this isn't compatible with a culture where 2 children is the norm and the average house is a 3 bed semi.

[Mich the Tester]

The Tories are the claimants friend. You are so right.

But wasn't it Norman Tebbit who said the unemployed should get on their bikes and look for work? Isn't that rather similar to what lots of Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Bulgarians etc have done?

[Mich the Tester]

The ones with big families and young kids of course, children are always put first and rightly so.

The trouble is this isn't compatible with a culture where 2 children is the norm and the average house is a 3 bed semi.

You have a point, but all the evidencein demographics is that when people join the 'middle classes' and especially if they move into heavily populated areas, the next generation's birth rate falls to around 2 per family; obviously you notice the time lag between the arrival and the falling birth rate though.

Basically, governments have been warned for decades that as travel gets cheaper and quicker and the turd world gets worse, migration will increase and you need to plan for it. At a local level, there's no point building a school for 2000 kids if there are 2000 kids in the catchment area; you need to account for the people who'll move to the area to use the school, so build it for 2500 kids and you're on the right track. Same principle applies nationally and internationally. Governments didn't listen to the spatial demographers who warned them this would happen.

[DodgyAgent]

You mean a new party came in and made the UK more affluent and attractive to immigrants?

You can't link a global problem like this to one particular party. That's just a blinkered useless witch hunt. It is no wonder people are bored by politics with this type of reasoning.

Yes you can. The immigration laws for this country are entirely reasonable yet labour failed to enforce them. The immigration problem is one of incompetence rather than one of poicy.

Furthermore labour have encouraged multiculturalism that has had the effect of isolating immigrants and making social services and the law adapt to the various cultures rather than the other way round. For example there is no requirement for immigrants to speak English.

Also because of labour there are millions of able working people who have been culturally brainwashed and managed into believing that they do not ever have to work and that their needs will be met by the state. So instead of getting these people into work we encourage migrants to come here and work.

Finally because labour have again failed to manage immigration we now have huge pressures placed upon housing and social services in many parts of the country.

What more do you want?

[JimBobTwoTeeth]

But wasn't it Norman Tebbit who said the unemployed should get on their bikes and look for work? Isn't that rather similar to what lots of Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Bulgarians etc have done?

No it's not. Because they aren't claiming welfare from the UK taxpayer.

My point is that Frank Field (old Labour) was minister for Welfare reform in 97. He came up with a credible plan to end welfare as a way of life. If TB had the balls to do it these people would have been hoovered up by the boom.

TB went for votes not reform. So he took the easy option to fill demand.

And before you all jump down my throat look up Frank Field's very reasonable, progressive opinions.

They missed a once in a lifetime opportunity to really help the unemployed which is supposed to be the point of Labour.