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[gingerjedi]

You have a point, but all the evidencein demographics is that when people join the 'middle classes' and especially if they move into heavily populated areas, the next generation's birth rate falls to around 2 per family; obviously you notice the time lag between the arrival and the falling birth rate though.

Basically, governments have been warned for decades that as travel gets cheaper and quicker and the turd world gets worse, migration will increase and you need to plan for it. At a local level, there's no point building a school for 2000 kids if there are 2000 kids in the catchment area; you need to account for the people who'll move to the area to use the school, so build it for 2500 kids and you're on the right track. Same principle applies nationally and internationally. Governments didn't listen to the spatial demographers who warned them this would happen.

You're right the 7 P's have never been so apt.

The fact is we are but a small nation with limited space and resources, there are plenty of other places in the world that should be more attractive than our little island but they don't seem to have been as economically successful or reading from the same rule book as us.

Immigration to the UK will only slow down or stop when living becomes difficult or unbearable for the majority, the trouble is people who have come from the 'turd world' (as you put it ) are likely to have a much higher tolerance to tulip living than those of us who were born here.

[Mich the Tester]

No it's not. Because they aren't claiming welfare from the UK taxpayer.

If they're working and not claiming benefit, they're doing exactly what Norman Tebbit said. They're just better at it than the lazy chavs that sit around on benefits.

[DodgyAgent]

No it's not. Because they aren't claiming welfare from the UK taxpayer.

My point is that Frank Field (old Labour) was minister for Welfare reform in 97. He came up with a credible plan to end welfare as a way of life. If TB had the balls to do it these people would have been hoovered up by the boom.

TB went for votes not reform. So he took the easy option to fill demand.

And before you all jump down my throat look up Frank Field's very reasonable, progressive opinions.

They missed a once in a lifetime opportunity to really help the unemployed which is supposed to be the point of Labour.

[SizeZero]

Offtopic slightly, but thinking ahead:

When you're old and frail and sat in your nursing home, would you rather be cared for by a nurse/care assistant from the far east (or even from Poland) where they still respect old people as fellow human beings? Or would you rather be cared for by Wayne/Waynetta, who were told they either had to 'take care' of you for so many hours per week or they'd have their benefits cut?

I know who I'd choose.

[d000hg]

Since 1997, record levels of immigration have boosted our population by more than 2 million, accounting for half the total estimated rise in population of about 4 million.



Now what major political event happened in 1997?

Even for you this is a stupid post. Where the figures showing "since 1996", "since 1995" to prove it's something showed a sharp increase in 1997? "Since 1997" doesn't prove 1997 was a turning point.

You might even be right (stranger things have happened) but your use of statistics is about as legitimate as you claim are used to 'prove' climate change.

[Gibbon]

They're just better at it than the lazy chavs that sit around on benefits.

Lafargue argued that it was a human right to be lazy and that in work we are not acting as ourselves. He also argued we shouldn't work more than necessary and certainly no more than 3 hours a day.

Maybe us subbies are more like Aristotle and we as human beings have function and reason and should even in leisure be working on our reasoning.

Epicurus on the other hand argued that we have no function that we are just an accidental collection of atoms. Acoording to him we should just seek simple pleasures as to seak luxurious pleasure will undoubtly lead to disappointment when we can no longer afford or take part in them.

So maybe Stella, J.Kyle and Sky ports is the clever way to go.

[JimBobTwoTeeth]

If they're working and not claiming benefit, they're doing exactly what Norman Tebbit said. They're just better at it than the lazy chavs that sit around on benefits.

So what are you saying? Norman Tebbitt is the great oracle and we should all worship graven images of him and read his teachings.

Why not pick a few more dated random out of context quotes....

[northernladuk]

Yes you can. The immigration laws for this country are entirely reasonable yet labour failed to enforce them. The immigration problem is one of incompetence rather than one of poicy.

Furthermore labour have encouraged multiculturalism that has had the effect of isolating immigrants and making social services and the law adapt to the various cultures rather than the other way round. For example there is no requirement for immigrants to speak English.

Also because of labour there are millions of able working people who have been culturally brainwashed and managed into believing that they do not ever have to work and that their needs will be met by the state. So instead of getting these people into work we encourage migrants to come here and work.

Finally because labour have again failed to manage immigration we now have huge pressures placed upon housing and social services in many parts of the country.

What more do you want?

And Conservative would have done what different exactly? Closed the doors, discouraged multiculturlism, kept laws to be biased against immigrants? This is exactly what I mean when people put up a post that has one objective and that is to slate the encumbant party without even thinking how their choice would do it any differently. Poor argument.

Please point out a country that are NOT struggling to control this type of thing.. Can't.. thats odd. Not ALL of them can have a useless government. Perhaps, just perhaps this is a problem that is going to be a headache for whoever comes in due to globalisation and factors out of our control....

[JimBobTwoTeeth]

And Conservative would have done what different exactly? Closed the doors, discouraged multiculturlism, kept laws to be biased against immigrants? This is exactly what I mean when people put up a post that has one objective and that is to slate the encumbant party without even thinking how their choice would do it any differently. Poor argument.

Please point out a country that are NOT struggling to control this type of thing.. Can't.. thats odd. Not ALL of them can have a useless government. Perhaps, just perhaps this is a problem that is going to be a headache for whoever comes in due to globalisation and factors out of our control....

Australia.

[Mich the Tester]

So what are you saying? Norman Tebbitt is the great oracle and we should all worship graven images of him and read his teachings.

Why not pick a few more dated random out of context quotes....

No. I'm pointing out that previous governments of the UK and other countries in western Europe encouraged people to get up and go out looking for work. Now we are faced with lots of people doing precisely that, at the same time as we have lots of other people sitting around on benefits. All the while, people complain about immigration. Immigrants aren't the problem; they're the ones with the balls and the initiative to get up and go looking for a future. The problem is the lazy inbred yokels who think they have a divine right to welfare benefits AND a divine right to stop other people coming and taking the jobs they're too f**king lazy and useless to do. Oh yes, and those immigrants need houses and hospitals and schools too. Big surprise!