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[expat]

Anyone remember the rivers of blood speech?

Powell's or Virgil's?

[Doggy Styles]

Are you going to suggest he was right?

He wasn't you know, most Ugandan Indians have done very well.

Numbers are the tipping point.

[Mich the Tester]

Anyone remember the rivers of blood speech?

Are you going to suggest he was right?

He wasn't you know, most Ugandan Indians have done very well.

[Doggy Styles]

Anyone remember the rivers of blood speech?

[Paddy]

I have no issue with EU immigration as largely it is reciprocal. In my own personal experience; migrants who set up their own businesses are successful because they will take risks (legal or illegal) because if they fail; they can always flee back home whereas a Brit has to face the consequences of failure while continuing to live here.

Many emigrants do come just to live off of benefits, I have spoken with a few and they justify doing so because “The British robbed and plundered our country.”

I know young couples who can not even get on the housing list yet a disabled friend of mine living in a council house has a new neighbour being an Iranian gay refugee who has been in the country just two months, got his own council house and living on benefits.

[JimBobTwoTeeth]

No, you'd kill about 80,000 indigenous pinkos. You still have the problem of 3 or 4 billion people living in tulipholes who'd like to live somewhere else.

Exactly. No liberals d*ck suck voters = no immigration.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Only on the weekends during the spring & summer.

It's mostly empty during the winter when the emmets & white settlers bugger off.

Having been called a "******* Emmett" whilst walking down a road with my Mum and sister on our hols there when I was 16 I have no urgent desire to return and be abused by any more chippy nasty racist locals. Cornwall can sod off.

[northernladuk]

So the Conservatives came to power last time to sort Britain out of the mess created by Labour - with the IMF having to bail us out and forcing Thatcher on us. The conservatives left the UK in a healthy financial state in 1997, so at least they have shown some level of competence in running the economy (despite the ERM debacle).

What have labour shown ANY competence in?

It would also be a useful exercise maybe to look at the institutions that represent the ideals of each party. The majority of Tory voters can be found in private business and the miltary, whereas the majority of labour supporters are in welfare (giving it out or receiving it) and public services (dont work)

My eyes are open yet I cannot see.

[Doggy Styles]

I was working close to the problem in the early 2000s. The asylum issue at the time kicked off a sudden increase in people trying to enter the UK.

Mistake 1: Instead of limiting numbers, we tried to process all of them and the system overloaded. Control of the borders was lost.

Mistake 2: Instead of blocking entry to regain control, we started waving the majority through because we couldn't cope with all the paperwork and accomodation, let alone repatriation.

Economic emigrees around the world got to hear about our lax controls and headed here as well, most as bogus asylum seekers. The other EU countries, instead of blocking them at their borders, invoked the final destination rules and shepherded them through.

After a promise from Blair in 2003 that the government would 'crack down' on hundreds of thousands of bogus asylum seekers, they simply reclassified them as nationality cases so that they disappeared from the stats.

The asylum issue was incredibly badly handled, and snowballed. Until then we had a fairly balanced immigration/emigration system.

[gingerjedi]

Yes, it would, but a different one. House prices would be lower but more stable, for example. It wouldn't have as much money (most of which is in the hands of the incomers) but it would perhaps be better. At any rate it would be more rational from a local point of view.

It is not difficult to set up a policy, it is impossible, and probably unforgiveable. Not everything can be fixed by another law or regulation; not by a long way (and I know that you are not suggesting that it can).

Cornwall must have reached saturation point then.

[expat]

Ah, but that's the problem; if you can't name how many is the right number, it's difficult to set up a policy.

Would northern Scotland have an 'economy' without newcomers?

Yes, it would, but a different one. House prices would be lower but more stable, for example. It wouldn't have as much money (most of which is in the hands of the incomers) but it would perhaps be better. At any rate it would be more rational from a local point of view.

It is not difficult to set up a policy, it is impossible, and probably unforgiveable. Not everything can be fixed by another law or regulation; not by a long way (and I know that you are not suggesting that it can).

[Mich the Tester]

A good way to control immigration would be to have a concert headed by Bono called 'World Without Borders'.

All the liberal soft minded folks would be invited and then we could DROP A BIG F**KING BOMB ON THEM ALL.

Problem solved.

No, you'd kill about 80,000 indigenous pinkos. You still have the problem of 3 or 4 billion people living in tulipholes who'd like to live somewhere else.

[JimBobTwoTeeth]

A good way to control immigration would be to have a concert headed by Bono called 'World Without Borders'.

All the liberal soft minded folks would be invited and then we could DROP A BIG F**KING BOMB ON THEM ALL.

Problem solved.

[DodgyAgent]

Believe me it isn't MY precious Labour party. I am as ****ed off with them as I am with the whole political thing. I try and use the term 'current party' to make that point. I am sure at the end of the last conservative term all the same pointless arguments were leveled against them as well.

You would have 'hoped' that Labour would have done it as well and they didn't. There is a lesson there. As bad as a party is total and pure incompetence is not something you can accuse them of. ALL parties promise and fail in our opinions. In my mind no one party is any better than the other so these witch hunts are pointless.

How can I make excuses for any one political party when it comes to global immigration? Especially when most the laws are now out of our hands? Try telling Europe we don't want to embrace multiculturlism. They will have a fit!!!

There is only one person in this discussion being blinded by their precious party and it certainly isn't me.

So the Conservatives came to power last time to sort Britain out of the mess created by Labour - with the IMF having to bail us out and forcing Thatcher on us. The conservatives left the UK in a healthy financial state in 1997, so at least they have shown some level of competence in running the economy (despite the ERM debacle).

What have labour shown ANY competence in?

It would also be a useful exercise maybe to look at the institutions that represent the ideals of each party. The majority of Tory voters can be found in private business and the miltary, whereas the majority of labour supporters are in welfare (giving it out or receiving it) and public services (dont work)

[Mich the Tester]

I don't know. I know "too many" when I see it: the local economy and culture are changed beyond recognition into the economy and culture of the incomers.

The census shows the towns and villages of the North-West coast having over one-third of the population born outside Scotland; 38% in Lochcarron, for example. You could spend a week in one of those places and not hear an accent that wasn't English.

That is too many immigrants.

Ah, but that's the problem; if you can't name how many is the right number, it's difficult to set up a policy.

Would northern Scotland have an 'economy' without newcomers?