CVs From India

[HairyArsedBloke]

I get asked to review contractor’s CVs and do technical interviews for the public sector project I’m currently working on. In a typical batch 60-70% will be from indian nationals in the second half of their 20s. The rest will be locals, usually in the 35-45 age range.

What strikes me is that we seem to have lost a generation of british IT workers somehow. I presume mainly thanks to the ultra-relaxed immigration policies of the last decade our firms have stopped hiring and training UK youngsters.

As far as I can see if nothing is done soon to recruit more locals into the industry it will be predominantly indian in 10-15 years time. Unlike industries such as steel or shipbuilding that were usurped by cheaper producers doing the work abroad, we will have been displaced from our careers by foreign workers sitting in the same offices.

If Thatcher had responded to high coal extraction prices by surreptitiously bending the immigration laws to allow the NCB to gradually replace UK miners with cheaper ones from developing countries she wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes.

Somehow, New Labour have got away with doing exactly that to UK IT workers.

Yes, you are correct.

It is causing serious long-term damage to the British economy. My objections are not racism, nor am I advocating protection (I never would). I think that what this policy is doing is destroying the earning capacity of the country. It goes beyond IT and into all sectors. Why should a youngster invest their time and money in gaining skills only to see that investment destroyed before they get a chance to pay it off?

[malvolio]

Told you it was a problem already, but you ignored that.

No I didn't. Didn't do anything about it though. Try asking nicely.

[oversteer]

I wrote to my local Tory MP (shadow cabinet member) , basically summarising DA's post and asking what the party's policy on it was, and they replied -

"It is my belief that protectionist trade and labour policies have negative long-term consequences for an economy. While certain categories of position are increasingly moved offshore, under normal economic circumstances other types of jobs are being created here in the UK ..

We propose an explicit annual limit on the number of economic migrants from outside of the EU .. The first stage will make eligible for admission those who will benefit the economy .. The second stage will control numbers with regard to the wider effects on society of their admission "

Well, that's great I think they missed the point about onshoring; but it's good to know even if I do get replaced by Bob earning £10/day; I can just retrain and I'll be fine!



..If I put superglue all over my ballot slip will it ruin every other ballot paper that it sticks to?

[HairyArsedBloke]

I wrote to my local Tory MP (shadow cabinet member) , basically summarising DA's post and asking what the party's policy on it was, and they replied -

"It is my belief that protectionist trade and labour policies have negative long-term consequences for an economy. While certain categories of position are increasingly moved offshore, under normal economic circumstances other types of jobs are being created here in the UK ..

We propose an explicit annual limit on the number of economic migrants from outside of the EU .. The first stage will make eligible for admission those who will benefit the economy .. The second stage will control numbers with regard to the wider effects on society of their admission "

Well, that's great I think they missed the point about onshoring; but it's good to know even if I do get replaced by Bob earning £10/day; I can just retrain and I'll be fine!



..If I put superglue all over my ballot slip will it ruin every other ballot paper that it sticks to?

What is needed is an organisation that could represent contractors and communicate the problems they face to government ministers and their shadows.

As for the ballot - I think we need some sort of incendiary ink. Several hours after you have marked your paper the ink bursts into flames.

[OwlHoot]

The only way to compete is for western standards of living to fall to those in Asia. Look forward to life like this.

That's what I've been saying for two years, and that's ultimately what this depression is about. People who keep ranting and raving about bankers, and even Western politicians (stupid and venal though most of these may be), are fooling themselves.

The more globalized and "porous" the World economy gets, the more wealth ends up with the poor, whether in the Third World or poor people living in the West - Think sub-prime mortgages and the tens of millions who have migrated to the West in the last few years.

It's like placing a hot object against a very much larger cold object, and then ramping up the thermal conductivity of both - Pretty obvious what will soon happen.

Not criticising them, mind, but just stating a fact (which should be fairly obvious with a moment's thought).

[TimberWolf]

It's like placing a hot object against a very much larger cold object, and then ramping up the thermal conductivity of both - Pretty obvious what will soon happen.

Nice analogy. What they tell us of course is that it isn't a zero sum game and that both objects will get hotter.

[vetran]

Very little money transfers to the poor, however the rich get richer and a few clever guys in India will get very rich. Unfortunately the poor in India etc are still starving they do have a nice space program though.

Its not accepting a job that pays £50 a week plus accomodation. Its accepting a job that pays £50 a week, accomodation & food, £10 daily allowance, health care for your family back home etc 5 year plan to get residency and bring your family over. Slightly easier than selling your daughter to the triads.

Its certain the government are using immigration cynically to depress wages in many areas as the belt tightens it will lead to tears.

[ArgieBee]

PCG and UKBA

I think the PCG meet with the UKBA regularly and push to have the loopholes closed.

I was told that the UKBA policy director had admitted that the use of allowances was am abused loophole. The changes that will come in next month will probably reduce the percentage of the visa "salary" that can be expenses/allowances. I bet that it won't go far enough and big businesses will lobby to make sure the tax breaks for using migrant workers are kept.

We need some group that is not so constrained by the niceties of political lobbying that hold back the PCG to start raising the profile of this e.g. why can't there be some IT contractors on question time etc asking the difficult questions. There is going to be plenty of opportunity with the election coming up.

[DodgyAgent]

They have been and continue to do so. What they need is hard evidence such as this. They have some, and a large amount of anecdotal stuff, but every little helps

Take a look at www.ictabuse.org.uk for the full story.

Then they should employ some really aggressive determined researchers (like the type of people who work in recruitment). They should know this themselves without me having to point it out to them. It is what is called the "hard yards" of doing your job.

[Paddy]

Then they should employ some really aggressive determined researchers (like the type of people who work in recruitment). They should know this themselves without me having to point it out to them. It is what is called the "hard yards" of doing your job.

I agree with you. Even the wording on ictabuse webside is weak.

"All skilled workers brought in to the country from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) must be paid a salary at a specified minimum level depending on the job they do. For example, Systems Analysts brought in to the country must be paid a minimum of £31,200.
In some cases this may not be happening. This might be because of unusual pay structures being used, for example, by taking allowances for accommodation."

We know for a fact the minimum is not beeing paid, I have reported abuses for almost 10 years!