1001 reasons NEVER to vote Labour

[Fungus]

Hammer/Elton

You still haven't answered the question asked by others, namely what would you have done in place of Thatcherism? Allow the unions to control the country? Allow state owned companies with fake jobs to prosper at our expense? Allow people to carry on living in council houses, in a state of dependency, whining when something needs repairing? Or would you have faced up to reality, and taken the hard decisions that Thatcher took?

And what's all this bulltulipe about Thatcher taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich? Give an example? Did you know that under Blair less working class people are going to university, and inequality is increasing? And under Blair youg people have not a hope of owning their own home, because of the boom, created in part by massive unrestricted immigration.

The problem with socialism is that its led by a bunch of well meaning but clueless people, with head in the clouds, fluffy bunny ideas, and no idea of what wealth creation means, who want to create a state of supine dependency among the working classes. So much of socialism is driven by hatred of others, and the desire to have what they have, but without the obligation to work for it, and without taking risks, or creating something.

As an example take my half-brother, a useless smelly hippy living in Finland, surviving on benefit and £7K a year from his dad, undeclared to the Finnish authorities. He has no incentive to work, so he doesn't.

Fungus.

[OwlHoot]

[..] Did you know that under Blair less working class people are going to university

Christ, it's worse than I thought - Do you mean working class people have to get limbs chopped off and organs removed before they can go to university? (I can well believe _fewer_ working class people are going to university though.)

[zathras]

Gordon Brown is even more in the Red

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/tax-adv...&in_page_id=77

Treasury coffers were £11.8bn in deficit, the worst September on record.
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The Government's preferred accrualsbased measure (public sector net borrowing) was also higher than expected and the largest September outturn on record at £5.2bn. With the first six months of the financial year gone, the Chancellor has notched up a deficit of £22.9bn.


His forecast for the 2005-06 financial year, set out in the Budget, is £32bn.

[BoredBloke]

The EU rebate

Who taught this buffoon how to negotiate? He has handed over a hefty sum of cash and got exactly nothing in return. Our rebate was a strong negotiating tool which this fool has weakened by giving up part of it for free.

Didn't he also say that it was non negotiable? What a surprise, Blair going back on his word.

The userless fecker gives up some of our rebate for nowt!

[Fungus]

Who taught this buffoon how to negotiate? He has handed over a hefty sum of cash and got exactly nothing in return. Our rebate was a strong negotiating tool which this fool has weakened by giving up part of it for free.

Didn't he also say that it was non negotiable? What a surprise, Blair going back on his word.

The userless fecker gives up some of our rebate for nowt!

£8 billion given away to Europe ... which will come from increased taxes. I bet wee Gordon is happy ...

Did France agree to a cut in the massive subsidies to the big French agricultural companies? (Which are damaging third world countries, and hence increasing world poverty.)

I find it interesting that Eastern European countries tell us that we should pay to help them develop their economies. When we joined the EU, the French and Spanish demanded at the last minute that we give them our fishing grounds as a condition of joining. They made the same condition to Norway, and Norway said no, and walked away.

Blair is a useless wazuk. But then again, his forte is giving things away. When in opposition, he made the New Lier electable by giving away the old beliefs such as a pledge to nationalise anything that moved. And when terrorists attacked America, he gave way to Bush, and followed meekly.

Fungus.

[hammer]

Hammer/Elton

You still haven't answered the question asked by others, namely what would you have done in place of Thatcherism? Allow the unions to control the country? Allow state owned companies with fake jobs to prosper at our expense? Allow people to carry on living in council houses, in a state of dependency, whining when something needs repairing? Or would you have faced up to reality, and taken the hard decisions that Thatcher took?

And what's all this bulltulipe about Thatcher taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich? Give an example? Did you know that under Blair less working class people are going to university, and inequality is increasing? And under Blair youg people have not a hope of owning their own home, because of the boom, created in part by massive unrestricted immigration.

The problem with socialism is that its led by a bunch of well meaning but clueless people, with head in the clouds, fluffy bunny ideas, and no idea of what wealth creation means, who want to create a state of supine dependency among the working classes. So much of socialism is driven by hatred of others, and the desire to have what they have, but without the obligation to work for it, and without taking risks, or creating something.

As an example take my half-brother, a useless smelly hippy living in Finland, surviving on benefit and £7K a year from his dad, undeclared to the Finnish authorities. He has no incentive to work, so he doesn't.

Fungus.

Cor didnt you have a pub to go to last night? I've got a bit of a head on and Ive had to get in here to work today.

Now Fungus, I never disagreed with what Thatcher done, did I. In fact I said she was great for sorting out all that mess. I never said she robbed from the poor and gave to the rich. Look back in what Ive writen before.In Thatchers day there was loads of miserable people but as I said above it had to be done.

And Ive told you before Im not labour or tory. Im saying what I see as an ordinary voter. I reckon a lot of the country are like me otherwise we would have prime minister Howard or Hague. I see whether I'm OK, thats first on the list for everyone unless your a lier. Then I see on the tele how other people are.

Today things arent so bad at all. This is the first website Ive been what goes on and on about how wrecked the country is. Well if you want to get rid of labour youve got to change millions of peoples minds and the tories have been shouting about this and that for years and it hasnt worked.

If the world does cave in like some of you say then I'll vote for the other lot.

[BoredBloke]

Just bringing this back to the front page.

[DimPrawn]

Weak little ******

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4541412.stm

Tony Blair says an EU budget deal which will see £1bn a year cut from the UK's rebate is an "investment in the future prosperity" of eastern Europe.
The deal, reached in Brussels early on Saturday, includes an EU commitment to review farm spending in 2008.

But Conservative leader David Cameron said Mr Blair had failed "in every single one" of his objectives in the EU budget negotiations.

Mr Blair says the deal will give more development money to new EU states.

'Thoroughly disappointing'

Earlier shadow foreign secretary William Hague said the government had "spectacularly failed" to get any guarantees on spending.

"Seldom in the course of European negotiations has so much been surrendered for so little," he added.

Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Sir Menzies Campbell called the deal, for 2007-13, a "thoroughly disappointing" end to the UK's six-month presidency.

And UK Independence Party MEP Nigel Farage said it was "game, set and match" to France's President Jacques Chirac.

Several Sunday newspapers said Chancellor Gordon Brown, who did not take part in the final negotiations, was unhappy with the agreement.

But a Downing Street spokesman said: "We negotiated as a government."

Mr Blair insists the deal will enhance Britain's reputation in Europe and that failing to get it would have caused "immense damage" to the UK's national interest.

It would ensure member states in eastern and central Europe got the development cash they needed while putting Britain's contribution on a par with nations like France for the first time, he said.

"If I had done what the Conservatives say I should have done and simply walked away from this and said 'we're not prepared to pay'... we would have wrecked our entire relationship with these new European countries, also with the new German government, and we would have done immense damage to our country's national interest," he added.

BBC Europe correspondent Tim Franks said the rebate would continue to rise "for a time" because Britain's overall contributions were rising.

They will increase by 63% to £42bn, while French contributions will rise by 116% and those of Italy by 130%.

Britain is giving up about 20% of the rebate it would have otherwise received over the seven years.

Although it will rise from its current level, it will be smaller as a proportion of the UK's net contribution to the EU.

The budget package is worth £584bn (862bn euros) - an increase on the £575bn (849bn euros) limit Mr Blair originally proposed.


What a weak, incompetent, slimey little TW@T.

[John Galt]

Fungus old chap. I never said what you are and I dont care. But if that is all true what you say about labour and I dont know enough to argue, why do they keep getting elected? Spin you say. Well people know about spin, its in the headlines, but them votes keep going in the labour boxes.

I reckon you and the tories've got a bit of learning to do yourself. Ranting for years like a broken records done none of you any good has it. Labours still there and the world hasnt fallen in. People feel more comfy now and still remember times when it werent in the tory days.

"People" generally don't understand about spin Hammer. Unless you remember last time Labour were in power or you have a half decent understanding of accounting and economics you are not even going to recognise spin. All the country's leading economists agree that we are heading for a major fall but the majority of the media keep telling people that they have never had it so good on the say so of messrs Brown and Blair. Unless the mass media turn on the Government i.e. start telling it straight we are stuck with gruesome twosome for the forseeable (God what a depressing thought )

[BoredBloke]

As Benno is back on, I'd still like him to point out how the economy could have been turned around without effecting the poor in our society. Presumably the lack of an answer to this point is because there was no other way to turn things around.