1001 reasons NEVER to vote Labour

[hammer]

He's right you know. We should be running the country FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE UNEMPLOYED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's exactly that attitude that makes all of us 'tory wannabees' hate you ******* socialist/communist/democrat bastards in the first place.

Did I say that? No my son, I did not. I'm just giving you all a dose of reality. Tory wannabees will carry on being wannabees in oppasition if you dont go after votes.And I'm not a labour or a tory.

Unemployment effects so many people it would effect an election. If there lives are hell they will vote for the other lot. That wont be you then will it, telling them we'll return to like in Thatchers early days.

[DodgyAgent]

Did I say that? No my son, I did not. I'm just giving you all a dose of reality. Tory wannabees will carry on being wannabees in oppasition if you dont go after votes.And I'm not a labour or a tory.

Unemployment effects so many people it would effect an election. If there lives are hell they will vote for the other lot. That wont be you then will it, telling them we'll return to like in Thatchers early days.

The Tories are trying to steal the middle ground back from Labour, and they may or may not succeed in doing it. My view is that they should have a policy of rolling back the state's growing malign influence in everyone's lives.

Blair is going in the right direction with his education policies (which the tories are supporting) and he is also up for introducing more private companies into providing healthcare.

A lot of what Blair is thinking about is more than the Tories can manage, so yes the only realistic chance of the Tories getting in is if they can outBlair Blair.

[Fungus]

Neither of youve understood a word have you. Thats died in the wool tories for you.

Who do people vote for. Tories who made unemployment hell or labours who make it bearable? Whether its right or wrong me old china, thats what people think and its what occurs. Sorry to wake you up in the real world.

No good you bleating about learning from history. Tories have got to learn from the last 3 election defeats. Its no good shouting from the rooftops about this and that if you stay in opposition.

Arrrrgggghhhh.

"No good you bleating about learning from history."

Ignorance is bliss eh? Is history not in the national curriculum you are currently studying?

You know nothing about my politics. I was pro-New Lier at the start. Blair openly stated that Thatcherism was necessary. (Bet you didn't know that.) That was part of his success, accepting the good parts of Thatcherism.

But New Lier turned out to be largely ineffectual: a pile of deceit, spin and lies. The same old socialist command economy. Pour in money and control centrally.

Here's some New Lier tulipe:

>> Invading another country on the basis of a lie. (And yes the Tories were thick enough to support that.)

>> An ethical foreign policy. A vacuous sound bite.

>> Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. A vacuous sound bite.

>> No tax rises? A lie.

>> Improvements in education. I KNOW people in higher education who have come under policital pressure to lower standards to ensure that more pass.

>> An improved health service. Yeah right. What is improved is certain targets, at the expense of other services in order to pander to ministers. I know several people who would be DEAD had they gone NHS. My sister would be paraplegic had she gone NHS. The NHS is overworked and an organisational mess.

It's all smoke and mirrors, lies and deceit, spin.

Oh and government by sofa. This has been criticised by senior civil servants as an attack on democracy.

Oh and Brown was openly criticised by a senior gov. body for bullying staff. I've never heard of that happening before. Have you?

And I'm not chinese. Or an item of tableware. Or a Tory. Or a sheep.

You need to learn to think. Not follow mindlessly and soak up the spin.

Fungus.

[Fungus]

Precisermont my son! It is bearable with labour. Do unemployed want it to be horrible like with the tories? No. So what way do you think theyll vote? Bearable or horrible?

Its not right, with the scroungers and the rest on top of them what want a job, but chuck in all thefamilies and friends of the unemployed and youve got many millions of people effected. Millions of voters.

Now, if any of you lot here with all the ansers stands up and promises to make it more horrible if they vote for you, what do you reckonll happen?

Oh dear. Aren't they teaching writing at your school? Obviously not.

Fungus.

[hammer]

Arrrrgggghhhh.

"No good you bleating about learning from history."

Ignorance is bliss eh? Is history not in the national curriculum you are currently studying?

You know nothing about my politics. I was pro-New Lier at the start. Blair openly stated that Thatcherism was necessary. (Bet you didn't know that.) That was part of his success, accepting the good parts of Thatcherism.

But New Lier turned out to be largely ineffectual: a pile of deceit, spin and lies. The same old socialist command economy. Pour in money and control centrally.

Here's some New Lier tulipe:

>> Invading another country on the basis of a lie. (And yes the Tories were thick enough to support that.)

>> An ethical foreign policy. A vacuous sound bite.

>> Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. A vacuous sound bite.

>> No tax rises? A lie.

>> Improvements in education. I KNOW people in higher education who have come under policital pressure to lower standards to ensure that more pass.

>> An improved health service. Yeah right. What is improved is certain targets, at the expense of other services in order to pander to ministers. I know several people who would be DEAD had they gone NHS. My sister would be paraplegic had she gone NHS. The NHS is overworked and an organisational mess.

It's all smoke and mirrors, lies and deceit, spin.

Oh and government by sofa. This has been criticised by senior civil servants as an attack on democracy.

Oh and Brown was openly criticised by a senior gov. body for bullying staff. I've never heard of that happening before. Have you?

And I'm not chinese. Or an item of tableware. Or a Tory. Or a sheep.

You need to learn to think. Not follow mindlessly and soak up the spin.

Fungus.

Fungus old chap. I never said what you are and I dont care. But if that is all true what you say about labour and I dont know enough to argue, why do they keep getting elected? Spin you say. Well people know about spin, its in the headlines, but them votes keep going in the labour boxes.

I reckon you and the tories've got a bit of learning to do yourself. Ranting for years like a broken records done none of you any good has it. Labours still there and the world hasnt fallen in. People feel more comfy now and still remember times when it werent in the tory days.

[zathras]

Some more reasons

Do I really have to put each one of these in a seperate post?

• Pensions Tax
• Fuel tax escalator up
• Vehicle Excise Duty up
• Stamp duty up for properties over £250,000
• Corporation Tax changes
• New Windfall Tax on utilities
• Tax on casinos and gaming machines up
• Fuel tax escalator brought forward
• Reinvestment relief restricted
• Corporation Tax payments brought forward
• Higher stamp duty rates up
• Some hydrocarbon duties up
• Additional diesel duties
• Landfill Tax up
• IR35: Taxation of personal services companies
• Insurance Premium Tax up
• Employer NICs extended to all benefits in kind
• VAT on some banking services up
• Premiums paid to tenants by landlords taxed
• Duty on minor oils up
• Vehicle Excise Duties for lorries up
• Landfill tax escalator introduced
• Higher rates of stamp duty up again
• Higher rates of stamp duty up again
• Extra taxation of life assurance companies
• Rules on Controlled Foreign Companies extended
• National Insurance threshold frozen
• NICs for employers up
• North Sea taxation up
• New stamp duty regime
• New rules on loan relationships
• Betting duty change
• Tax on red diesel and fuel oil up
• Vehicle excise duty up
• UK – UK transfer pricing introduced
• Increase in tax on red diesel fuel
• Increase in tax on other road fuels fuel
• Number of people going bankrupt record high as of end 2004 34.6% up on previous year and 8% on pervious Qtr
• Department for Education and Skills has spent £885m on schemes to tackle absences since 1997, a further £560m to be spent in 2005/2006. Total effect of money spent - Nothing. It is the same as in 1987
• Civil Servents being asked to destroy emails prior to the introduction of the Freedom of Information Act
• Increase in last minute surgery cancellations ( 12% from last March )
  fiscal drag on tax allowances
• Record number of people paying higher rate tax
• Encouraging consumer debt ( see record number of people going bankrupt)

[BoredBloke]

Give it a short time and Gordons economic house of cards will come tumbling down and that 'comfy' feeling will soon go. An economic legacy he inherited from the Tories and one which will cause a great deal of pain to correct again.

[hyperD]

Well people know about spin, its in the headlines, but them votes keep going in the labour boxes.

People feel more comfy now and still remember times when it werent in the tory days.

And there, within these two sentences, we have the raison d'etre and causality of spin.

[hyperD]

Do I really have to put each one of these in a seperate post?

I think you should - just to reiterate to the hard of thinking. And to get the post numbers up zath.

P.S Glad you reformatted!

[Fungus]

Fungus old chap. I never said what you are and I dont care. But if that is all true what you say about labour and I dont know enough to argue, why do they keep getting elected? Spin you say. Well people know about spin, its in the headlines, but them votes keep going in the labour boxes.

I reckon you and the tories've got a bit of learning to do yourself. Ranting for years like a broken records done none of you any good has it. Labours still there and the world hasnt fallen in. People feel more comfy now and still remember times when it werent in the tory days.

What gets me about you Hammer me old light industrial tool, is your ignorance of history.

When New Lier took over, Gordon was told that the economy was in the best state it had ever been. Which was true. Employment had been rising for years, interest rates were low, manufacturig was improving. He then held a news conference and announced that the economy was a mess. It is the blatant dishonesty of New Lier that gets me.

And stop assigning to me things I have not done like ranting for years.

In the last election New Lier got the lowest percentage of the popular vote for a victor in decades if not ever. And yet they won. Does that not trouble you? The main reason they won was the ineptitude of the Tories with creepy figures like Ann Widdecombe, successful bogeyman scare tactics from New Lier, disorganisation, and moving away from the middleground which New Lier took from Thatcher. (Yes Mrs T. was middle ground.)

Don't you know anything about news management? Alastair Campbell was a key figure in the New Lier project. He managed news, creating a group of tame journos, and rewarding favoured ones with news to make their careers. Off topic ones did not get the rewards, so did not get stories, so did not prosper. Sure some independent thinkers exist, but not many. As an ex media man himself AC knew the system, and was able to ruthlessly exploit it for Labour's purpose. Sadly this is probably the way all parties will behave in future, which is to our disadvantage.

You are the one that needs to see reality rather than living in cuddly bunny land.

If you could think, you would mention real failures of the Tory goverment. For example, rail privatisation was a disaster, with control over the lines not given to the train operators.

Fungus.