Terrorists have arrived

[ALM]

Once again, I am not justifying the war, I always felt it was wrong. What I am saying is that one of the consequences will eventualy be the freedom of Muslims to practice their religion.

Gunman, You obviously have no idea what you're talking about here so quite why you insist on pursuing this line of argument is a mystery.

Contrary to your claims, Saddam Hussein did allow muslims to practice their religion. They were allowed to perform their prayers in the mosques, allowed to perform the pilgrimages to their holy lands, allowed to fast during ramadan and allowed to mark the various religious days in the islamic calendar.

What the evil despot didn't allow was any mingling of governance and religion in Iraq. In other words he wanted a secular state similar to those we enjoy in the West today. Unlike us, however, he chose to use mass murder as a technique for ensuring no religious leaders ever emerged to threaten his secular ideals or his grip on power.

Your idea that Iraqis should in some way be thankful to the invading armies for liberating them is quite absurd IMO. The fact of the matter is that Iraqis, if anything, hate the invading forces more than they did Saddam. After all, they were at least able to go about their daily lives without the fear of being blown to pieces. Failure to toe the Baathist line did lead to the deaths of many but the rest actually enjoyed the highest standards of education, hospitals and basic needs such as water and electricity in the middle east. Ultimately these are the things that matter most to people.

[The Lone Gunman]

Please try and get my entire context!

I will try to make it easy.
We are discussing terrorists reasoning.
I am questioning that reasoning.

pre war: Fanatics say Saddam is a bad man and must be got rid of.
West goes in with express purpose of removing Saddam.
Now: Fanatics say West should not have gone into Iraq and got rid of Saddam.

[ALM]

Please try and get my entire context!
pre war: Fanatics say Saddam is a bad man and must be got rid of.
West goes in with express purpose of removing Saddam.
Now: Fanatics say West should not have gone into Iraq and got rid of Saddam.

I don't think you'll find many who are sad to see the back of Saddam Hussien. What people object to is the 100,000 civilian death toll, the daily carnage wrought by suicide bombers that Iraqis face on a daily basis, the abuse sufferred at the hands of the US forces and the general way in which thier lives have been turned into a living hell.

The jist of my point is that invading a country under false pretences benefitted the neo-cons and large corporations in the US but it is we, the citizens of London and the poor feckers in Iraq have to pay the price.

[Chico]

ALM

Not sure which parellel universe you were referring to but under Saddam the majority Shiite were NOT allowed religious freedom infact they were brutalised, murdered, raped - flipping heck Man we have a Saddam apologist here. Next you will be saying he was right to invade Kuwait, right to use chemical weapons and right to pay money to the families of suicide bombers in Israel.

[The Lone Gunman]

I don't think you'll find many who are sad to see the back of Saddam Hussien. What people object to is the 100,000 civilian death toll, the daily carnage wrought by suicide bombers that Iraqis face on a daily basis, the abuse sufferred at the hands of the US forces and the general way in which thier lives have been turned into a living hell.

Some of this is a consequence of war. Most of the deaths have occured since the end of the war, since the insurgency, since the fanatics decided to make political gain from this. The hurt the pain and the dying is because the fanatics want it that way, not because the allies do.
The removal of Saddam required a hostile force entering Iraq. As soon as a hostile force enters Iraq the fanatics start shouting CRUSADE, CRUSADE!
Some suggest they are only after the oil, Some emptyheaded ballons seem to believe it too.

The jist of my point is that invading a country under false pretences benefitted the neo-cons and large corporations in the US but it is we, the citizens of London and the poor feckers in Iraq have to pay the price.

I always felt it was a false war. BUT. The US only went down this route after 9/11, dont even think about trying to justify that attrocity in any way shape or form.

[ALM]

I always felt it was a false war. BUT. The US only went down this route after 9/11, dont even think about trying to justify that attrocity in any way shape or form.

Could you explain to us all what connection the Iraq war has with 9/11 suicide attacks?

[The Lone Gunman]

Could you explain to us all what connection the Iraq war has with 9/11 suicide attacks?

Piss of you sanctimonious twat. Had you read my contributions on numerous threads you would find I have argued the point against this link a number of times, one of the reasons I say it was a false war.

[Chico]

ALM

Could you explain to us all what connection the Iraq war has with 9/11 suicide attacks?

I will explain the link. Sept 11 - US faces the worst terrorist attack ever seen on the face of the earth - 3000 people murdered at the drop of a hat by animals. The US govt says in this new landscape what could be a threat. Hmm lets see

Country A - Has used chemical weapon, has vowed to destroy the West, supports international terrorism, invades its neighbours, is very secretive about its military developments, fails to comply with UN resolutions


Hmmm what shall I do?

A - Do nothing and hope for the best
B - Kick out the pyschopath in charge of Country A

Hmm Tough choice this

[The Lone Gunman]

ALM



I will explain the link. Sept 11 - US faces the worst terrorist attack ever seen on the face of the earth - 3000 people murdered at the drop of a hat by animals. The US govt says in this new landscape what could be a threat. Hmm lets see

Country A - Has used chemical weapon, has vowed to destroy the West, supports international terrorism, invades its neighbours, is very secretive about its military developments, fails to comply with UN resolutions


Hmmm what shall I do?

A - Do nothing and hope for the best
B - Kick out the pyschopath in charge of Country A

Hmm Tough choice this

Sorry Chico now you are ranting. George knew he was going after OBL and AQ. The whole world knew the relationship between OBL and SH. George went to finish Daddies business.

Your contry A (with a couple of mods) could be any one of a number that George hasnt invaded.

[Homer Simpson]

"Obedience brings victory and victory is life. "

Fictional Star Trek universe, the Jem'Hadar incantation?

If the Bible has taught us anything—which it hasn't—it's that girls should stick to girl's sports like hot oil wrestling, foxy boxing and such and such"