Terrorists have arrived

[John Galt]

At the end of the day this all has very little to do with religion although it is used as a justification for the actions of extremists. For years young Iraqi's and Iranians have been told that the West are the oppresors who will try to convert true believers to their evil, immoral ways - so basically we have proved them right and added fuel to their fire

[The Lone Gunman]

so basically we have proved them right and added fuel to their fire

How so? As ch(ahem) Chico so rightly said, the last few armed conflicts the UK has been involved in were to give freedom to Muslims, not to oppress or convert them. If the insurgency stops in Iraq the allied forces will withdraw and leave the Muslims to it.
It is legal to practice as a Muslim in the West, build Mosques etc. The opression practiced in the Muslim world against non believers is far more serious, Palastine notwithstanding.

[Ardesco]

yes because state sponsered TV in these countries is going to say that mr Tony B Liar is a wonderful generous person freeing the people of whichever country he decides we should invade next.

Not to mention he probably gives more of a toss about oil than saving the muslims from thier tyrannical leader....

[John Galt]

LG - as Ardesco says - they won't see it like that I am afraid. The fact that we have practising Muslims in this country won't matter to the extremists and they believe that Western Muslims have been corrupted by the West and do not stay true to the letter of their religion. It is also no good saying to fanatics 'well it's all for your own good you know'

[lilelvis2000]

What I am saying is that George and Tone have made it possible for Muslims to practice their religion again in Iraq (and other regions where they were oppressed). A practice not allowed under Saddam. Yet we never heard of suicide bombings against Saddam.
OBL and AQ made it quite clear that Saddam was an enemy.

I didn't know that George cared about the muslims...as far as I know his right-wing evangelicals want to bring their brand of christianity to the oppressed muslim world.

Why not fund Al'Qaida and let them attack Saddam instead? Osama was more than willing to do that in the first gulf war.

I do agree that non-muslims are oppressed in muslim countries..but its probably not a lot different than the harrassement muslims get in the UK or in the US.

[The Lone Gunman]

I didn't know that George cared about the muslims...as far as I know his right-wing evangelicals want to bring their brand of christianity to the oppressed muslim world.

Why not fund Al'Qaida and let them attack Saddam instead? Osama was more than willing to do that in the first gulf war.

I do agree that non-muslims are oppressed in muslim countries..but its probably not a lot different than the harrassement muslims get in the UK or in the US.

Once again, I am not justifying the war, I always felt it was wrong. What I am saying is that one of the consequences will eventualy be the freedom of Muslims to practice their religion.
How hterefore can these fanatics claim that the UK and US are oppressing Muslims in Iraq?
Very few Muslims were killed in the original skermish, it is only due to the urban tactics fo the insurgents DELIBERATELY using Muslim domestic areas that the body count is rising.

[Lucifer Box]

I do agree that non-muslims are oppressed in muslim countries..but its probably not a lot different than the harrassement muslims get in the UK or in the US.

As far as I'm aware, Elvis, you don't risk the death penalty for practicing Islam in the UK. Unlike, say, in Saudi if you were to practice any religion other than Islam.

The level of complete bollox being spouted in this thread seems to have reached a new high, even by CUK standards.

[lilelvis2000]

Its not ok to kill anybody for their religion
the figure is nowhere near 7000 , somewhere in the region of 2000 was in the news.
my point is if one starts the fire one can also get burnt by it

As is happening now in the UK, US. Oz after the recent attacks...even though the vast majority had nothing to do with it! The term "numb nuts" comes to mind.

At least in the UK the cops are here to try and uphold the law. During that incident in India the cops were ordered by the then BJP government to withdraw and allow the masses through to slaughter. And so far - I have not heard of any gov't ministers, police officers etc.. who have been taken to task over it.

[DodgyAgent]

What Bollox

I do agree that non-muslims are oppressed in muslim countries..but its probably not a lot different than the harrassement muslims get in the UK or in the US.

I am afraid that the difference is huge..idiot! the UK is patronising these people through the judiciary and political correctness and showing a level of tolerance that Muslim countries would never dream of showing..

[DodgyAgent]

As is happening now in the UK, US. Oz after the recent attacks...even though the vast majority had nothing to do with it! The term "numb nuts" comes to mind.

At least in the UK the cops are here to try and uphold the law. During that incident in India the cops were ordered by the then BJP government to withdraw and allow the masses through to slaughter. And so far - I have not heard of any gov't ministers, police officers etc.. who have been taken to task over it.

You have just completely contradicted yourself