democracy

[snaw]

Apart from the grave stones, which I used as a way to get you out and just look at things rather than sit back and be spoon fed crap from the TV. You know like a porper historian does, and looks to the sources. I could also say I've read Expectations of Life, H.O. Lancaster, 1990: years 1200-1300 a male could expect to live to be 64.

Go on, try me on another.

And what about women? Or don't they count in your fat pie eating world?

[HairyArsedBloke]

Apart from the grave stones, which I used as a way to get you out and just look at things rather than sit back and be spoon fed crap from the TV. You know like a porper historian does, and looks to the sources. I could also say I've read Expectations of Life, H.O. Lancaster, 1990: years 1200-1300 a male could expect to live to be 64.

Go on, try me on another.

Where are these cemeteries with readable grave stones from the 13th Century?

[threaded]

Infant mortality. Child birth. Disease pandemics. Rudimentary healthcare and ignorance on the importance of hygiene meaning even small injury's could be life threatening. Starvation. Access to clean drink water.

That's just a small list off the top of my head. Seriously, you'se are both mental.

Hygiene, oh my, someone's watched too much Monty Python. They weren't covered in mud you know. Middle ages English people loved to bathe. Many castles had special rooms, that contained enormous baths, next to the kitchens, where it is written in many sources that the ladies would retire to and share a communal bath, when the men were partying, and these would be used by all levels of society. In towns they had special bath houses, that were very steamy, called "Stews".

[EternalOptimist]

I could also say I've read Expectations of Life, H.O. Lancaster, 1990: years 1200-1300 a male could expect to live to be 64.

Go on, try me on another.

ho ho.

this is the fellow that based his figures on a sample size of 20, aristocrats, plus only the ones that survived to the age of 21 anyway.

[TimberWolf]

Infant mortality. Child birth. Disease pandemics. Rudimentary healthcare and ignorance on the importance of hygiene meaning even small injury's could be life threatening. Starvation. Access to clean drink water.

That's just a small list off the top of my head. Seriously, you'se are both mental.

threaded never denied infant mortality was higher in olden times.

[snaw]

Where are these cemeteries with readable grave stones from the 13th Century?

You know I was thinking that, but I figured maybe it was just in Scotland that they didn't have any ...

Pretty sure you'd find rab the bruce buried somewhere, but think that'd be about it.

[snaw]

threaded never denied infant mortality was higher in olden times.

I never said he did, I just offered a list of things that killed people, that contribute to overall population life expectancy. You know, a valid historical measure of things, as opposed to saying well if you were a bloke, and don't count dying as a kid then you could live till a ripe old age ...

[TimberWolf]

ah the bible.
rock solid facts, just when you need them

It gives an insight into what people considered life expectancy to be thousands of years ago.

[EternalOptimist]

threaded never denied infant mortality was higher in olden times.

true he didnt.
Infant mortality ran at a horrendous rate. Many interpretations of longevity deliberately ignore all deaths before ages 1,2 or 5, because they get so skewed.
You have to be careful with a lot of these figures

[threaded]

It gives an insight into what people considered life expectancy to be thousands of years ago.

Yes, it is a source, yet it is not fashionable amongst modern historians to actually look at the sources too critically.